Thursday, July 19, 2018

The Democrats' Hypocrisy on Russia


Some of President Trump's statements at the Helsinki Summit with Vladimir Putin were definitely foolish and cringe-worthy.  He did not help his own created image of being the tough, no-nonsense leader that he would like to portray to the rest of us.  That said, Trump's actions against Russia, particularly as compared to that of President Obama's and his corrupt Secretary of State Clinton's, is orders of magnitude tougher than that of previous Democrats.  Of course, that doesn't fit the leftist narrative and will be summarily dismissed by them accordingly.

I find it ironic that the Left's posturing against Russia is so tough these days now that they are "out of power".  I remember when Russia was still Communist and many on the left adored them and thought their own country, particularly under Ronald Reagan, was the real threat to world peace and prosperity.  I guess their group hallucination regarding the mis-perceived transgression that Russia cost their own corrupt Hillary the presidency has really ruffled their feathers.  I guess to many Leftists slights against their party are more damnable than slights against their country.

71 comments:

TB3 said...

"Trump's actions against Russia, particularly as compared to that of President Obama's and his corrupt Secretary of State Clinton's, is orders of magnitude tougher than that of previous Democrats."

I'm asking this with no snark and with all seriousness: Can you cite example(s) that support this statement? I know this is a current talking point, but no one I have seen actually explains how they come to believe this.

Majormajor said...

Spot on Mr. Paine, spot on.

You will now get demands to prove your comments from people who believe an indictment is the same as being found guilty, who can not find one stitch of evidence that one vote in the 2016 election was changed by an action of Russia.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"...who can not find one stitch of evidence that one vote in the 2016 election was changed by an action of Russia." ~~ Majormajor

It has been proven that Russia conducted a cyber-attack with the intention of subverting our electoral process. Nowhere, did anybody, make the claim they were successful.

Obviously that doesn't mean they weren't successful -- only that it hasn't been established.

The special counsel's investigation isn't over. The recent twelve indictments were only the latest "phase", for lack of an alternate term.

There are more to come...

T. Paine said...

TB3, that is a fair question. I thought about listing some of these measures but didn’t. Perhaps I should have in the post. That said here are just a few of them:

- Sanctions have remained in place over Russia’s annexation of Crimea
- Additional sanctions on Russian oligarchs, businesses, and other entities is in the hundreds due to their cyber attacks and interference in U.S. matters etc. Many of these people are cronies of Putin’s.
- He has ordered some 59 plus missile attacks on Russian allies in Syria on military and strategic targets. (Instead of merely drawing an unenforced red-line.)
- He has repeatedly and vociferously denounced Russian ally Bashar Assad as a “gas killing animal” leading Syria.
- After the poisoning of Sergei Skripal and his daughter on British soil, Trump expelled 60 diplomats from the U.S. and shut down consulates of theirs in the U.S.
- Trump has opposed and blocked U.S. help and capital for Russia’s Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline to Europe and has severally chastised publicly European nations such as Germany that wished to do business with Putin while not living up to their NATO obligations.
- Under the Trump Administration, Russian mercenaries and other pro-Syrian regime forces attacking U.S. troops in Syria were killed.
- Trump has increased troops and military capability in Eastern Europe and has dramatically increased training and exercises with NATO allies.
- Trump approved the sale of lethal weaponry to Ukraine to support their defense against further Russian aggression.
- Trump approved the installation of the theater based missile defense system to Poland (and probably other allies) that President Obama reneged upon earlier.

Here is a link to The Hill for some other support of my contention.

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/397212-president-trump-is-tougher-on-russia-in-18-months-than-obama-in-eight

Majormajor said...

I bet if the FBI could examine the missing servers and laptops belonging to HRC & DNC we could tell if the Russians changed any votes. I'm surprised there hasn't been an investigation into why this hasn't happened.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"I bet if the FBI could examine the missing servers and laptops belonging to HRC & DNC we could tell if the Russians changed any votes." ~~ Majormajor (aka "thinks he's a technology guru" Chuck)

How?...

...and how much are you willing to lose?

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"I'm surprised there hasn't been an investigation into why this hasn't happened." ~~ Majormajor (aka surprised Chuck)

Are you sure you intended that double negative, Chuck? Try this instead:

"I'm surprised there has been an investigation into why this has happened."

LOLOL

TB3 said...

"You will now get demands to prove your comments..." -- MM

No, he got a question. Follow up questions are reasonable when you make an assertion. I know it's difficult for you to understand, but sometimes you need supplemental, supporting information to accept an assertion.

TP,

Thank you for the detailed list and explanation. Thank you for Jen Kerns's Opinion piece in The Hill. I appreciate it. Just a few things:

* Sanctions in place over Russia's annexation of Crimea. These sanctions were placed under Obama... how is their continuation under Trump support for your point that Trump's policies toward Russia "is orders of magnitude tougher than that of previous Democrats"?
* Additional Sanctions: Only after legislation (CAATSA) was passed to force the administration to do something. :)
* Missile Attacks: The chemical attack on Syria's citizenry needed a response and I am glad the US and its allies reacted with strength. It sucks that the Obama Administration could not convince Congress to give it the authorization of force it needed to act in the way Obama laid out in the speech he gave in the Rose Garden at the time. I'm still unclear as to how Trump was able to order what he ordered without similar authorization. It may have been because of a simultaneous re-write of the Auth for Use of Military Force that occurred around the same time... but I haven't researched that enough.
* Assad needs continued denunciation and the only difference between the two administrations is that Trump called Assad a name? This is a show of strength? Is this 7th Grade?
* The previous administration also expelled Russian Diplomats as well, over the cyberattacks.
* Re: Nord Pipeline; Trump railed against Germany on something that had nothing to do with NATO obligations? How is this an example of being "magnitude tougher than that of previous Democrats"? Honestly, after Trump's unfortunate word choice concerning Montenegro, I fear our President isn't sure what NATO even does.
* Though I am glad our troops found success against the Syrians and Private Contractors, I'm not sure how our soldiers fighting off a surprise attack is a sign of the Trump Administration's toughness towards Russia. Unless I'm thinking of a different confrontation. Did we get anything from Russia, a concession or something, following their failed attack? What am I missing?
* Re: Eastern Europe - This is great. A reaffirmation that NATO is more than dealing with the Middle East and Afghanistan. I am happy our Military forces have the flexibility due to shrinking obligations in other theaters that they can shift that kind of focus back to our allies.
* Re: Ukraine - I agree with this. Ukraine's unilateral denuclearization is a strong example to other nations not to give up their nuclear arsenal. I understand the Obama Administration's stance, Ukraine isn't in NATO, but the response to Russian aggression could have been better. I imagine our other obligations played a roll in our policy.
* Re: Missile defense - I'm unfamiliar with this. One; The Obama Administration didn't reneg upon it. They changed the plan. Two; I don't see anywhere that the Trump Administration agreed to return to the Bush-era plan. I do see that Poland was sold some missiles but I don't know if this is in relation to the Bush/Obama Missile shield project.

Rain Trueax said...

We are in truly ironic times where both sides don't like to hear dissent to their superior opinions. I think to admit Trump misspoke on the press conference is not to mean he owes Putin his fortune but it is in the minds of the left. Most of what is true right now will take a long time to find-- if ever. Even with history, we see it changing all the time to fit current political prejudices. Is truth ever possible to get? With some things, yes, but not all.

The irony here is there is no doubt that Clinton's campaign paid for a Russian dossier that has yet to be proven even though lefties claim it is true-- and hey, it might be-- or not. She also had a lot of money donated to her foundation from Russian oligarchs. Bill got huge speaking fees. Was she in the pocket of the Kremlin? Bet not one single Dem would say she had been, even with the questionable and twisted deal to sell Russia 25% of our uranium, that supposedly would never leave the country although I've read it did and went *crickets*.

If we had legitimate journalists, who would go where the story took them, this might be proven but most so-called journalists today are partisan-- one way or the other. For my news I do like The Guardian and get stories like recently on Nicaragua that our partisan and political news doesn't cover or if they do, it's minuscule. I also like The Intercept to explore stories not routinely covered. They both lean left but do go where the stories take them and have enough diverse news reporters that they get stories most mainstream media wouldn't touch

Majormajor said...


On May 19, 2017. Strzok sent a text to Page that said, "There’s no big there there”.

May 19, 2017 is two days after Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein named special counsel Robert Mueller to oversee an investigation into alleged collusion between Trump and the Russia campaign.

When Stzok was asked about the meaning of his text he declined to answer. Page however when asked said the message referred to the quality of the Russian case.

This means Rosenstein unleashed the most awesome powers of a special counsel to investigate an allegation that the key FBI officials, driving the investigation for 10 months beforehand, did not think was “there.”

"By the time of the text and Mueller’s appointment, the FBI’s best counterintelligence agents had had plenty of time to dig. They knowingly used a dossier funded by Hillary Clinton’s campaign — which contained uncorroborated allegations — to persuade the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court to issue a warrant to monitor Trump campaign adviser Carter Page (no relation to Lisa Page).

They sat on Carter Page’s phones and emails for nearly six months without getting evidence that would warrant prosecuting him. The evidence they had gathered was deemed so weak that their boss, then-FBI Director James Comey, was forced to admit to Congress after being fired by Trump that the core allegation remained substantially uncorroborated.

In other words, they had a big nothing burger. And, based on that empty-calorie dish, Rosenstein authorized the buffet menu of a special prosecutor that has cost America millions of dollars and months of political strife.

The work product Strzok created to justify the collusion probe now has been shown to be inferior: A Clinton-hired contractor produced multiple documents accusing Trump of wrongdoing during the election; each was routed to the FBI through a different source or was used to seed news articles with similar allegations that further built an uncorroborated public narrative of Trump-Russia collusion. Most troubling, the FBI relied on at least one of those news stories to justify the FISA warrant against Carter Page." John Solomon The Hill

A big nothing burger because Clinton lost. Is it any wonder then why the left has become so crazed, so radical, so extreme, so violent? They lost and can't face it.

Rain Trueax said...

MM, it's how I see it also. The dems now act as though the FBI has always been above reproach while ignoring history. It's frustrating is what it is.

TB3 said...

"A big nothing burger because Clinton lost. Is it any wonder then why the left has become so crazed, so radical, so extreme, so violent? They lost and can't face it."

I look forward to the investigation wrapping up as much as you do, MM. I don't think anyone should complain about the cost to the tax payers, though. At least not without similar negative feelings towards the price of investigating a certain email server, an unfortunate tragedy in Libya or the amount of tax payer money going to Mar-a-lago or Trump Tower.

Rain Trueax said...

Has anyone ever looked into whether Trump has dyslexia? He doesn't read much if any and he thinks differently than others. A lot of people do not know that dyslexia has a psychological component.

Majormajor said...

"an unfortunate tragedy in Libya", that's a joke right?

TB3 said...

Yes, MM. It's however you want to interpret it.

Majormajor said...

Personally TB3 I think it is just an attempt by you to deflect from the truth about the politically motivated witch hunt called the MUELLER INVESTIGATION, were there is no there there.

There was no collusion, next the left will claim there is corruption.

TB3 said...

Personally, that's your opinion, eh? What about impersonally? Or objectively? Hey, MM, Generally what's your opinion on my responding on-topic to T.Paine's post?

Majormajor said...

Deflecting TB3?

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"Deflecting TB3?" ~~ Majormajor (aka opioid-induced Chuck)

Yet another totally "out from leftfield comment" by the deflector extraordinaire.

TB3 asked you to respond to his counter-response to T. Paine's inaccurate claims and obvious opinions, and you accuse him of deflection.

As the commenter said about you on Dave Dubya's blog a few posts ago, "You ain't right". I totally agree with his assessment. You're a very ill man, and I'm sure it has nothing to do with your cancer.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"...I think it is just an attempt by you to deflect from the truth about the politically motivated witch hunt called the MUELLER INVESTIGATION..." ~~ Majormajor (aka mixed-up Chuck)

"Politically motivated"?

Mueller is a Republican, so you can be certain his final report will be favorable toward Donald Trump.

Let's wait for Mueller's work to be completed -- and I would think you, of all people, would agree with this.

After all, if this investigation is, indeed, politically motivated, you should have no concerns of either bias or prejudice in the outcome of Republican Mueller's investigation.

Majormajor said...

Typical personal attacks by JG, he's got nothing left.

“We want very much to have a strong Russia because a strong, competent, prosperous, stable Russia is, we think, in the interests of the world.”

Clinton made the remark in an answer to a question by Vladimir Pozner during an interview in Russia for First Channel Television on March 19, 2010.

Democratic Minnesota Rep. Keith Ellison, the deputy chair of the Democratic National Committee (DNC), claimed on Wednesday that America’s national borders create “an injustice” by keeping Mexican workers from traveling to the United States to look for higher-paying jobs.

Open borders, non citizens voting, a strong Russian, this is the America that JG wants.

TB3 said...

The conversations capsized and we are all in a sea of MM's delusions. Get your lifevests.

Dave Dubya said...

Do MM and Mr. Paine know Russia didn't take our uranium for weapons? Their twisted panties say they don't. They are a uranium EXPORTING country. They have what they need. What they got here was sent to Canada and a little to Europe. This is where it would have gone anyway.

“The Democrats Hypocrisy on Russia”

Wow. That is incredible projection, with a Republican agent of Putin in the White House. And you wonder why I call them a cult? And I'm not the only one.

“Trump's actions against Russia..”

Give me a break. Trump is obstructing an investigation into Russian interference. Then he takes a knee to Putin. “But, but, but HILLARY! EMAILS!! BENGHAZI!!”

Where would they be without their patented, far Right “Commie Card”?

I remember when Russia was still Communist and many on the left adored them and thought their own country, particularly under Ronald Reagan, was the real threat to world peace and prosperity. I guess their group hallucination...”

I’m older than Mr. Paine. I don’t remember ANY American “adoring” Russia. He’s full of bullshit, of course. He spews more of the same old ignorant and hateful “liberals are commies” CRAP from his Cult of Right-wing Authoritarian Personalities. He projects HIS hallucinations.

"I guess to many Leftists slights against their party are more damnable than slights against their country.”

More projection from the man defending the Party of Putin and Trump’s inaction and obstruction on Russian interference.

There is no “Leftist Party” of the two major parties. They are both corporatist.

Mr. Paine is helping Putin by deflecting from Trump and Republican culpability, and blaming democrats for something worse than siding with Putin against two bi-partisan Senate committees, the Director of National Intelligence, the FBI and the CIA.

Mr. Paine failed to cite ONE example of Trump even criticizing Putin. Real tough. Then he took a knee to Putin. Yeah, that’s really, really tough on Russia.

He’s now a de facto Russian agent along with MM, deflecting from Trump's betrayal of our country and blaming his opposition

Rain,
”The dems now act as though the FBI has always been above reproach while ignoring history. It's frustrating is what it is.”

No they don’t. This is called “whataboutism”, a favorite tacit of the far Right. See MM for more. In fact you have it backwards, like Mr. Paine’s Projection Post.

As a moderate, you might see it this way: “Republicans have acted as though the FBI has always been above reproach, until they couldn’t find a way to lock up Hillary, and investigated Russian interference in our elections”.

Dave Dubya said...

(cont.)

This shouldn’t even be a partisan issue. Smarter conservatives and Republicans see what is happening.

”Over the course of my career as an undercover officer in the C.I.A., I saw Russian intelligence manipulate many people. I never thought I would see the day when an American president would be one of them.

The president’s failure to defend the United States intelligence community’s unanimous conclusions of Russian meddling in the 2016 election and condemn Russian covert counterinfluence campaigns and his standing idle on the world stage while a Russian dictator spouted lies confused many but should concern all Americans. By playing into Vladimir Putin’s hands, the leader of the free world actively participated in a Russian disinformation campaign that legitimized Russian denial and weakened the credibility of the United States to both our friends and foes abroad.”
- Will Hurd, Republican congressman from Texas

"We're in a strange place. It's becoming a cultish thing, isn't it?" the Tennessee Republican told reporters. "It's not a good place for any party to have a cult-like situation as it relates to a President that happens to be purportedly of the same party." - Senate Foreign Relations Chairman Bob Corker

Only a fanatically loyal Russian agent like KomradMajor would compare Clinton's diplomatic courtesy to siding with Putin against two bi-partisan Senate committees, the Director of National Intelligence, the FBI and the CIA and shamelessly taking a knee by participating in a Russian disinformation campaign.

Putin's Little Puppets are very busy serving their master.

Much of the American Right wants, and defends, a junior dictator under Putin. The Left doesn't.

There's the difference. Simple as that.

Dave Dubya said...

Every time a Trump deflector whines about me calling them a cult, I will show them this:

"We're in a strange place. It's becoming a cultish thing, isn't it?" - Republican Senate Foreign Relations Chairman Bob Corker

Majormajor said...

"I don’t remember ANY American “adoring” Russia."

Look up Armen Hammer and his relationship with FDR.

History didn't start the day you were born Dave.

Dave Dubya said...

MM,
You are deflecting. I responded to this:

I remember when Russia was still Communist and many on the left adored them and thought their own country, particularly under Ronald Reagan,

I’m older than Mr. Paine. I don’t remember ANY American “adoring” Russia


Nobody adores Russia more than Putin's Little Puppets.

They just don't know it. Because they are puppets. Their Leader, Putin's Puppet, knows he's a puppet. (Let's see those tax returns)

Mr. Paine wants to distract, deflect, and blame the Black President* and Democrats because of Putin's Puppet being Putin's Puppet.

That is all this entire post is about.

Quick! Everybody!! Look to the PAST!!! Pay no attention to Putin and his Puppet. It's Obama and Hillary's fault!!!!

* I know Mr. Paine gets annoyed when I mention the Black President, so to be fair to Mr. Paine, I shall call Trump the Orange President.

Examples:

The Orange President blames the Black President for everything. The Orange President claimed for years that the Black President was not an American.

Those who like to see diverse colors like the Black President. Those who see a black and white world like the Orange President.

Majormajor said...

“We want very much to have a strong Russia because a strong, competent, prosperous, stable Russia is, we think, in the interests of the world.”

Clinton made the remark in an answer to a question by Vladimir Pozner during an interview in Russia for First Channel Television on March 19, 2010.

Democratic Minnesota Rep. Keith Ellison, the deputy chair of the Democratic National Committee (DNC), claimed on Wednesday that America’s national borders create “an injustice” by keeping Mexican workers from traveling to the United States to look for higher-paying jobs.

Open borders, non citizens voting, a strong Russian, this is the America that the left and DD wants. They can't deny it so they try to deflect by playing the race card.

The history of the left can not be erased, they loved Russia, just like Arman Hammer and FDR.

Dave Dubya said...

I like KomradMajor and Mr. Paine bigly, because they are not only astute political analysts; they are both history professors AND Constitutional law experts.

They know Komrad Trump will make great America again. But evil liberals are standing in the way! Lock them up! They are commies!

They know exactly how liberals and leftists think, and how they hate God, and hate America and hate freedom, and want to stop Trump for to make America great.

They have so much to teach you lucky Americans. ~~ Vlad.~~

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"The history of the left can not be erased, they loved Russia, just like Arman Hammer and FDR." ~~ Majormajor (aka highly opinionated Chuck)

I can't recall, Chuck...when exactly was Arman Hammer president of the United States?

And FDR "loved Russia"? First and foremost, "Russia" didn't exist when FDR was president. Nonetheless, you'll need to cite your sources about any love affair you claim existed.

Or are you pissin' into the wind once again?

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"History didn't start the day you were born Dave." ~~ Majormajor (aka history ignorant Chuck)

And your revisionist history doesn't really alter the facts or the truth.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"Open borders, non citizens voting, a strong Russian, this is the America that the left and DD wants." ~~ Majormajor (aka poor memory Chuck)

Chuck, we've already gone through all of this. Don't you remember?

I'll repeat it again for you. Nobody commenting on this blog has advocated open borders. You made the claim, several times, but have yet to substantiate the claim.

There's no evidence "non-citizens" participate in our electoral process. Once again, you lied about this. Please support your claims.

And your "strong Russia" comment, that's where Trump's allegiances are very evident. The proof was seen and heard around the world in Finland last Monday. He backed Putin and rebuffed his own intelligence community.

Remember? (Oh, I forgot, the opioids affect your short-term circuitry. Sorry.)

Majormajor said...

Context JG, something you lack,

"I don’t remember ANY American “adoring” Russia." DD

Arman Hammer, sent to Russia by President FDR.

Dave Dubya said...

This will no doubt be dismissed by our Authoritarians who support their Party of Trump and deflect from Putin's Puppet's betrayal of America.

I have a friend who has circled the planet almost every year for the last 35 years.

This is what he just sent me:

"I’m in China right now. Before that I was in Hong Kong, Macau, Bangkok, and Japan. I don’t know why, but Trump came up everywhere. And I can tell you that at least everywhere I’ve traveled, Americans are now perceived as a joke. Yep."

Putin's Puppets will disagree, but they have zero knowledge, experience, or facts to support their stance.

While much of the world is sad and confused by Americans' embrace of ignorance and white nationalism, the rest of the planet, led by Russia, is laughing at us.

Trump is a joke, but a tragic joke, facilitating the demise of democracy, our alliances, and our republic.

Dave Dubya said...

Putin knows his Puppets well. He name dropped Soros just for his base. (That would his Puppet's base.)

"You have a lot of individuals in the United States—take George Soros, for instance, with multi-billion capitals—but it doesn’t make his position, his posture, the posture of the United States.”

Alex Jones gleefully bobbed his head at the video, getting a tingle up his leg, enthralled by the latest Russian Republican Leader.

"Soros bad, Trump good". Did his puppets get the message?

I knew they would.

Majormajor said...

In 2018, Obama and Biden can finally celebrate Recovery Summer

Majormajor said...

The Mueller investigation has finally determined that the lyrics to Louie Louie are not about Trump and Russian collusion...

Majormajor said...

The Trump economy has taken 2.2 million people off food stamps. The numbers are down to an 8-year low...Unemployment, 3.8%, a generational low. Black and Hispanic unemployment rates at all-time lows.

Now we
have both the House Intelligence Committee Chairman Rep. Devin Nunes memo and the FISA application. By compare the two it proves the Nunes memo was overwhelmingly accurate. Perhaps some Democrats do not believe it should have been written, or they dispute what it included and left out, or they do not agree with its conclusions, but it was in fact accurate.

Those that choose to believe the dark are blind to the truth.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"Context JG, something you lack. ~~ Majormajor

Context, indeed.

Chuck, let me tell you how this works. You claimed Arman Hammer and FDR "loved Russia". I disputed your claim and requested that you back up your dubious accusation with evidence. You didn't, and more likely couldn't, because your remarks were opinions and not fact-based.

It's not up to me to prove your claims are false. It's up to you to prove they're factual.

It's your obligation to provide nuisance, Chuck -- not mine. And I know you can't.

TB3 said...

I chuckled. I think he provides nuisance quite well.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"Those that choose to believe the dark are blind to the truth." ~~ Majormajor (aka all-of-a-sudden philosopher Chuck)

LOL

Clunky, sure, but I didn't miss your foolish attempt to seem philosophical and wise. We all know you're the opposite, and life for you revolves around sound bites and innuendo -- in even your most prolific moments.

Here, try this one instead:

"Democracy Dies in Darkness", and Donald Trump is that total absence of light that we all should fear -- yet you don't.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"I chuckled. I think he provides nuisance quite well." ~~ TB3

LOL

I more than chuckled, TB3. Damn auto-correct on cell. Yes, agree with you, although I intended "nuance".

Unfortunately, he would never have noticed. :-)

Majormajor said...

Did the FBI Lie to the FISA Court?

Daniel J. Flynn

The FBI did not allow the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to do just that.

Instead, the heavily-redacted application for a warrant to surveil U.S. citizen Carter Page obscures the source. It never says, at least in the unredacted portions, that the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee paid operatives to dig dirt on Donald Trump.

This allows the warrant to talk of “research” and not “opposition research.” The warrant application shields the partisan origins of the “dossier” and talks of a “law firm” hiring the investigators. In reality, Hillary Clinton’s campaign and the DNC paid the law firm, which paid Fusion GPS, which paid Christopher Steele (and, given the reference to a “U.S. person” in the warrant, perhaps others — unless that “U.S. person” was, in fact, a U.K. person, which complicates the narrative of foreign interference) to conduct opposition research.

By using intermediaries to effectively launder dirty money clean, the Clinton campaign kept its name off of a story it generated — and dodged the whole intent of campaign finance laws in the process. The FBI, not wanting to undermine its case to the FISA court, similarly omitted that the material it presented to the court came from a political operative paid by the opponent of “Candidate #1.” It now omits the name of the agent bringing the application forth to the court. Judging by what we know about the various FBI employees involved in the investigation, the agent’s identity may prove similarly damning. Why redact the investigating agent’s name and not the subject of his or her investigation?

The date of the application also remains redacted, at least partially so. Although we see a stamp that indicates “2016” and “OCT,” we do not know the exact date. Christopher Steele reported findings to the FBI beginning in early July 2016. At some point before Election Day, the bureau and Steele reached an agreement, later voided, in which the FBI pledged to pay the former MI6 officer to continue his investigation. Surely the FBI knew by that point just who had been paying Steele, right? It is the Federal Bureau of Investigation, after all.

If the bureau did not, it reveals itself in the warrant as comically incompetent. If the bureau did, it reveals itself in the warrant as terribly dishonest. Lying to judges, like lying to the FBI, comes with consequences — at least it should.

Here’s what the application states in a footnote:

Source #1, who now owns a foreign business/financial intelligence firm, was approached by an identified U.S. person, who indicated to Source #1 that a U.S. based law firm had hired the identified U.S. person to conduct research regarding Candidate #1’s ties to Russia (the identified U.S. person and Source #1 have a long-standing business relationship). The identified U.S. person hired Source #1 to conduct this research. The identified U.S. person never advised Source #1 as to the motivation behind the research into Candidate #1’s ties to Russia. The FBI speculates that the identified U.S. person was likely looking for information that could be used to discredit Candidate #1’s campaign.

Did the FBI merely speculate at this point or did it know? A few lines later the FBI hints at a “reason” — without explaining the nature of the “reason” — for Source #1’s research.

“Notwithstanding Source #1’s reason for conducting the research into Candidate #1’s ties to Russia,” a footnote explains, “based on Source #1’s previous reporting history with the FBI, whereby Source #1 provided reliable information to the FBI, the FBI believes Source #1’s reporting herein to be credible.”

In excising information directly pertaining to that source’s credibility, the FBI impugned it own. Congressman Devin Nunes said earlier this year that the FBI “basically lied to the court” to get the warrant. The application partially released seems to confirm this."

"There is no there there"

Majormajor said...

"Trump's administration is already one of the most corrupt and incorrigible in modern history."
JG
July 16 2018

Where are the indictments and when do the trials begin?

TB3 said...

You just spent last week having unhinged delusional rants about the indictments and this week you're wondering where they are? Are you actually multiple people using one (Ok, three? four?) user name(s)?

Dave Dubya said...

Here's Komrad Major’s fellow Republican making America racist again:

State Rep. Jason Spencer (R-Woodbine) of Georgia was featured on Sacha Baron Cohen’s “Who Is America?” Sunday night shouting racial slurs, flashing his naked buttocks, and making fun of Chinese people.

Baron Cohen, “disguised” as Israeli terrorism expert Col. Erran Morad, convinced Spencer to participate in an anti-terrorism training video meant for elected officials to learn how to protect themselves from terrorists.

“All you damn sand-niggers over in the Middle East, we are tired of you coming to America and we are tired of you trying to threaten us,” Spencer says in a post-credits video titled, “A Message to Terrorists from Rep. Jason Spencer.”

In addition to brandishing a knife, Spencer continues his rampage: “We will cut off your dick, you understand? We will take your dick and we will shove it in your mouth. How are you going to rape children and women without a dick?”

Spencer is currently serving his fourth term in the Georgia house.

The video continues to get even more insane with Spencer being directed to pretend to be “homo” to frighten terrorists because, as Baron Cohen’s Morad informs him, terrorists are afraid of homosexuals. Spencer proceeds to bare his entire ass and run backward towards Baron Cohen’s Morad ― all while yelling, “America!”


https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/rep-jason-spencer-screams-n-word-brandishes-bare-butt-on-who-is-america_us_5b5545b1e4b0de86f48e5a5e

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Chuck, in your "blah blah blah" comment [time-stamp 7:43] you copied/pasted once again without citing sources. I refuse to read or respond to obvious plagerism in any form.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"Where are the indictments..." ~~ Majormajor

I wasn't even referencing the treasonous activity when I wrote Trump's administration is already one of the most corrupt and incorrigible in modern history, but since you insist on knowing where the indictments are I'll gladly indulge you.

There have been 35 indictments so far, with many many more to come. Stay tuned, but not to Fox News. Trump's "state propaganda network" will never tell you the truth.


"...and when do the trials begin?" ~~ Majormajor

One starts Thursday, I believe. Watch the twit-in-chief light up as the trial progresses and the revelations presented point increasingly toward his culpability.

TB3 said...

JG,

It's the Specator. It's a hilarious. They even labeled it a "Special Report" as if it was reporting on anything. It's by Daniel J Flynn, one of those special little "Conversative Snowflakes" that feels they shouldn't be shouted down when they say stupid, offensive stuff.

It's a content free series of conspiracy questions that's probably shorter than many 7th Graders' school reports. Seriously. It's like a two minute read. Would probably be poorly graded because it's not even trying to prove its assertion or cites anything. Why prove an assertion though? Just add another voice to the echo chamber. If you say the sky is red in one, loud, amalgamized voice to an audience who'd be comfortable sporting 'I Want to Believe' shirts, you'll have people actually beleiving the sky is red.

When you point out that, hey, the sky is blue... they'll just dig in their heels regardless of the proof existing right above their heads.

It'd be sad if it wasn't so painfully stupid.

Dave Dubya said...

I can't imagine who she could be talking about...

"The divergent reactions to the FISA application truly delineates simple thinkers (no ability to asses information in context, or use logic/deductive reasoning) from critical thinkers. There are a LOT of simple thinkers out there, and it's why propaganda is working."

Asha Rangappa
Fmr FBI Special Agent, lawyer, faculty @JacksonYale. Tiger(ish) mom. @CNNanalyst. Editor @just_security

Majormajor said...

Here's DD, going off the threads topic again, if it were done on his blog, he would remove the offending post.

Majormajor said...

JG re your claim about my post of July 23, 2018 at 7:43 AM

You and your fellow leftist morons, read my subject post and you will see who I quoted.


Majormajor said...

TB3,

You feckless leftist idiot, you seem to be lacking the ability to carry any continuation of thought. I'll type real slow for you.

When are the trials of those indicted, including the Russians, scheduled? When are trials for the Americans who have been indicted for collusion with the Russians taking place? When will the indictment and trials for what JG said was an "administration (that) is already one of the most corrupt and incorrigible in modern history."? Who are these corrupt people and what are their crimes and when will they be indicted?


"There is no there there"...this is for you JG, you know who I'm quoting right?

TB3 said...

"I'll type real slow for you."

This is the most meaningless thing anyone could write on the internet. Thank you for that.

Though it seems as if I must have struck a nerve, maybe? Are you a fan of Daniel J. Flynn? Defending him as you do our President, with the same vim and vigor? I read the article that you Cut and Pasted. I actually gave the Spectator another hit to count for their website in order to read the original source. Unlike you, I seek out sources and articles that I generally do not agree with. Like yesterday when I ventured over to RedState and read an article that reminded me of you, MM. The Trump Era and Dumb Conservatism: When "Owning the Libs" is Your Only Goal by Kimberly Ross. I recommend the read. It's relatively short. I mean, not as short as a Daniel J. Flynn piece, but you know... read it when you're rested and your mind won't stray. Or don't. It's a free country.

"When are the trials of those indicted, including the Russians, scheduled?"

Look it up yourself. You're an adult.

"When are trials for the Americans who have been indicted for collusion with the Russians taking place?"

www.google.com

In the search field type that exact question.

" When will the indictment and trials for what JG said was an "administration (that) is already one of the most corrupt and incorrigible in modern history."?"

I know you think you're on a role, but re-read what you just typed really slowly to me. Your question doesn't even make sense. In any case, see my answer two questions above this one for your answer.

"Who are these corrupt people and what are their crimes and when will they be indicted?"

Inquiring minds would like to know.

"There is no there there"

Gertrude Stein?

Majormajor said...

"There is no allegation in this indictment that any American citizen committed a crime. There is no allegation that the conspiracy changed the vote count or affected any election result.

The Special Counsel’s investigation is ongoing and there will be no comments from the Special Counsel at this time.

Assistant Attorney General John Demers is here with me today because we intend to transition responsibility for this indictment to the Justice Department’s National Security Division while we await the apprehension of the defendants.

I want to caution you that people who speculate about federal investigations usually do not know all of the relevant facts. We do not try cases on television or in congressional hearings. Most anonymous leaks are not from the government officials who are actually conducting these investigations.

We follow the rule of law, which means that we follow procedures and reserve judgment. We complete our investigations and we evaluate all of the evidence before we reach any conclusion.

That is how the American people expect their Department of Justice to operate and that is how our department is going to operate. In our justice system, everyone who is charged with a crime is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty. It should go without saying that people who are not charged with a crime also are presumed innocent."

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein
July 2018

Read the 1st paragraph again, "There is no allegation in this indictment that any American citizen committed a crime. There is no allegation that the conspiracy changed the vote count or affected any election result."

And the last paragraph, "In our justice system, everyone who is charged with a crime is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty. It should go without saying that people who are not charged with a crime also are presumed innocent."

I'll try to paraphrase for TB3 by quoting FBI agent Peter Strzok
"there is no there there"

Majormajor said...

When did Carter Page meet Donald Trump?

TB3 said...

If there is no there there, MM, than why, pray tell, are you spending so much energy and time on it? You must be wearing off the Ctrl, C and P from your keyboard with the number of times you keep deflecting to this. If there is no there there, MM, why are you not deflecting to something that is there? You can't bring something up and then turn around and say it's nothing.

Your constant deflections aren't taking anyone who truly cares to know the truth on things off the trail of the truth by being like this. I mean, no more time than the five minutes it takes me to read, interpret, and respond to your, uh, I'll refer to them as points?

I watch the Rosenstein pressers. I watch the WH Press Briefings. You can quote me Rosenstein's words all you want. I remember them, I watched it live. You can go to C-Span now and watch it yourself.

I'm really not sure what the point you are trying to make.

Majormajor said...

TB3,

That battle for the truth know's no limit, that's why.

So tell us, what is there in Columbia, MD?

TB3 said...

And what is that truth, MM? And is that the truth? Or "the truth"?

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"...read my subject post and you will see who I quoted." ~~ Majormajor (aka very confused Chuck)

Chuck, reread my original statement when I wrote, "Trump's administration is already one of the most corrupt and incorrigible in modern history." I was responding to your statement and your statement never contained any reference, whatsoever, to anyone specifically viewing this blog.

I'll see your "moron" and raise you two imbeciles.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"So tell us, what is there in Columbia, MD?" ~~ Majormajor

Columbia has one of the top three outdoor amphitheaters in the country. It's called Merriweather Post Pavilion.

Chuck, are you planning another concert out of state? Don't they allow rock concerts in Texas?...or is it forbidden and limited to Christian and gospel music?

Majormajor said...

DD, seems our former President just admitted he is from Kenya

See and hear it here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=m26vHUl2HeQ

RACIST!!

TB3 said...

Squirrel!

Majormajor said...

"Trump's administration is already one of the most corrupt and incorrigible in modern history."

Name the crimes that have been committed and the people charged.

That simple enough for ya?

As for concerts in Texas. All styles of music and events are allowed and well attended, unlike like the bastions of the left were free speech is limited to left wing speech.

T. Paine said...

Well, after sixty plus comments, the only thing new I learned is that Majormajor has cancer.

For this I am truly sorry, sir. I hope that the prognosis is good and treatment will negate it. I'll add you to my prayer list, Majormajor. God bless you and yours!

Majormajor said...

Thanks Mr. Paine! Got my cancer on the run, have 37 years sober, and after my upcoming heart surgery should be ready to continue the fight for liberty, truth and justice as our Constitution provides citizens of the USA.

What I've learned is the entire Russia/Trump thing is a farce drummed up in an attempt to discredit and maybe even impeach a legally elected President. That there is no there there.

I have learned what I always suspected that the leftist who post here know this but have so much invested in their fear for anyone who is to the right of them they have lost all rationality. I have learned the left fears the success of President Trump because it the more citizens who have jobs, the less citizens will need the leftist programs.

I wouldn't be surprised and believe there are already signs of this, that the next phase of the left's attack will be claims of corruption. If the evidence for these claims are as valid as the claim of Trump working with Russian or obstructing justice or the FISA application, then the left will turn even more violent in their outrage that their core beliefs are based on lies, and they are losing power based on the misery their programs have created.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"Well, after sixty plus comments, the only thing new I learned is that Majormajor has cancer." ~~ T. Paine

Did you already know Merriweather Post Pavilion is considered one of the top three outdoor amphitheaters in the country?

And I'm glad to see you already realized that Trump's administration is one of the most corrupt and incorrigible in modern history.

Dave Dubya said...

"Well, after sixty plus comments, the only thing new I learned is that Majormajor has cancer." ~~ T. Paine

I thank Mr. Paine for his hospitality, and everything he has illuminated for the dimmer, less informed people here.

He must marvel at how dense we are. But we have the privileged opportunity to learn so much from MajorMajor; nothing that Mr. Paine doesn't already know, of course.

One thing special I learned was how much I loved Russia when Reagan was president. When St. Ronnie said, "Tear down this wall", I was furious. I wanted the wall to stay. I loved that wall. Now I am suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome because I don't want a wall around us we can see from space. So big! So beautiful....Sigh. If only it were built to keep us in.

That's what I learned liberals want. We hate freedom and want to be fed by the government for all our lives. We don't want to work for it either. We just want to take from hard working REAL Americans.

We want open borders. No. We don't want any borders. We want all Mexicans, and even terrorists, to just come in. We want the government to feed them too! And give them jobs, only if they want them.

But that's how we stupid libs think. We're so stupid we think Putin doesn't love us and have our best interests in mind. Because of TDS we don't think Trump will make us great again. Even with Putin's help.

Alas we are lost. It is our curse to not follow authoritarian leaders to glory and greatness.

Majormajor said...

"most corrupt and incorrigible in modern history. "

List the charges and indictments to support same.


crickets.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Be patient.

They're coming, Chuck, they're coming. Mr. Mueller hasn't finished his investigation yet.

Majormajor said...

"Justice Department’s release of secret warrants that the FBI used to monitor former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page. The four applications, which were obtained under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), show that the bureau relied heavily on the dossier, which was funded by the Clinton campaign and DNC, to obtain the warrants, which accused Page of being a secret Kremlin agent.

But not only do many of the allegations in the dossier remain unverified, there is reason to doubt the credibility of a major source for the 35-page document, including for claims that the Kremlin has blackmail material on President Donald Trump and about Page’s alleged involvement in a collusion conspiracy."

Chuck Ross

7/245/2018

If Mueller had anything to support the claims/dreams of wrong doing by Mr. Trump, Adam Schiff would have leaked them by now.

There is nothing there there.
Peter Strzok