Friday, July 13, 2018

Trump: He Meant What He Said


When I was a junior in high school, decades ago, I signed up for Mr. Mueller’s class on oceanography as one of my science class requirements.  Most of my fellow students signed up thinking it would be an easy class.  I signed up for it because the topic of oceanography sounded very interesting to me. 

Mr. Mueller was a very plain spoken, gruff, and politically incorrect teacher.  He was not opposed to ridiculing any student that acted out of line in his class, usually to the class' amusement and to the student's chagrin.  There was always order and discipline in his class.

He would have been a tenured instructor that the teachers’ union would have somehow found a way to fire if he were to teach nowadays. I could see him being the one that refused to join the union or at least made union meetings very contentious, to say the least.  I imagine him pointing out their nonsense and the political over-reach of some folks instead of them focusing on how to be better teachers and demand that they be compensated appropriately for so being. 

I recall his initial “welcome speech” on the first day of class all of these years later because it was terse, to the point, and was obviously lacking in “feel-good” platitudes that many of the other teachers would bloviate upon.  He stated at the beginning of the semester that if you were late for class, his door would be locked and he would not let you in the room, so you had better show up on time.  Respect was a big deal for him.  He said he would be going over geological, biological, and chemistry related aspects of oceanography and as such that there was a tremendous amount of information he would cover and we would be expected to know for the exams.  He further explained that he would do reviews before each exam and that if we took good notes during the reviews and had done our work during the preceding section, we would likely all get “A’s”.  If not, we would likely fail.  

I found that I liked Mr. Mueller because he told you just where you stood, what was expected, and what he was going to do.  There weren’t any surprises.

I was amazed when seemingly half of the class passed with “A’s” while the remaining half failed just exactly as Mr. Mueller had foretold.  I received an A+.  

I find the situation somewhat analogous to President Trump today.  I personally do not care for Trump’s often un-statesmanlike demeanor, his petulant retaliation and conducting of national affairs by tweets, and his over-the-top rudeness at times.  I did not like what I saw as serious character issues with Mr. Trump during his campaign, and hence decided to vote for Darrell Castle with the Constitution Party accordingly.

In spite of his character flaws, many of President Trump’s issues that he campaigned upon seemed to be good ideas and particularly necessary in my opinion.  Some took the form of campaign promises similar to those made by Republican candidates for generations.  As such, not many people, including the Democrats, took them too seriously as actually being addressed in his administration other than just as window-dressing. 

After the better part of two years into President Trump’s administration, I think many people are surprised, or vexed depending on political ideologies, to learn that Trump wasn’t the typical politician just making half-hearted promises in order to get elected.  He actually intended to work to get his agenda enacted.

And this angers the left… to extraordinary degrees.

President Trump promised to nominate constitutionally-minded candidates to the federal courts and Supreme Court instead of appointing judicial activists whom look to every place besides the United States Constitution for informing their opinions on cases.  Justice Gorsuch and Judge Kavanaugh are excellent jurists in that very mold of textualists accordingly, thus the meltdown from the leftists.  Trump provided a list of twenty-five SCOTUS candidates that he would likely pick from for the Supreme Court.  There certainly was no surprises here.  

Trump promised to work with other nations to revise or establish mutually beneficial trade deals, and if the other nations refused to work with us accordingly, he would seek to right such trade imbalances via the instigation of tariffs on their goods.  China has long stolen intellectual property and maintained a dangerous trade imbalance in their favor with us, particularly regarding steel and aluminum.  Trump attempted to right that wrong; China refused to cooperate, and hence punitive tariffs have been enacted in order to prompt China to change its ways...  JUST   AS   PROMISED.

Like previous presidents, Trump also promised to end illegal immigration.  Unlike previous presidents from both parties, Trump actually instructed that the letter of the law be followed with regards to illegal immigrants.  This enrages the left as they see future Democrat voters being denied entry into the U.S.  They further blame Trump for actually following the law written long prior to his administration that separates children of illegal aliens from their parents.  (If I were to break the law in Mexico, I don’t think that the Mexican authorities would throw my children into jail with me.  I know we don’t hold minors in jail here for the legal transgressions of their parents.)  The fact that Trump has asked that this law actually be enforced as a deterrent to illegal immigrants has caused heads to explode on the left.  When he mitigated this law by executive order, the left still screamed and took offense.  Evidently for some of our brothers and sisters on the left, we are to have open borders or they will fight and resist!

President Trump promised significant tax reform to spur the economy to life once again from the sub-2% anemic growth experienced under his predecessor’s eight years.  By doing so he has created business and personal growth not seen in this country for decades by allowing people to keep more of their own hard-earned tax dollars.  Further, this has caused businesses to expand and hire more employees thus bringing unemployment numbers down to remarkably low levels.  Again, Trump did what he said he would do.

Trump has removed myriad economy-killing regulations that were often times unnecessary or useful only to certain special interest groups.  He promised to remove two regulations for every one that was enacted.  He has far surpassed this by a margin of 12 removed to 1 enacted according to some reports.  This cutting of bureaucracy has made government less bloated and more efficient and responsive in many areas… just as promised yet again.

Trump, like previous presidents, has rightfully complained about NATO allies not living up to their commitments to spend 2% of their GDP’s in their defense thus leaving America to heft a greater share of the burden of Europe’s defense.  Unlike his predecessors, President Trump has publicly and spectacularly called out our offending allies for this intentional transgression and has openly pondered the usefulness of NATO if they do not contribute according to their promised obligations. 

These issues and perhaps dozens more where Trump was proven not to just be making meaningless speeches, but was actually telling us what he planned to do has proven refreshing to many of us on the right of center.  He made many promises during his presidential campaign, just like all other politicians before him.  The difference is that President Trump intended to follow through on every one of them despite a very hostile opposition from the Left and denouncement at nearly all corners from the mainstream leftist media.

The fact that much of his enacted agenda has proven to be very effective and quite popular really enrages our leftist brothers and sisters.  They are incensed that Trump actually meant what he said and followed through on his words, just like Mr. Mueller did in my high school class decades ago.  Those folks that didn’t take them seriously are upset that America is being made great again (by most Americans’ definition) or that they got “F’s”.  I guess they didn’t realize that both President Trump and Mr. Mueller truly meant what they said.

In that regard, I have do have respect for the otherwise arrogant and often obnoxious President Trump,  just like I did for the brusque Mr. Mueller decades earlier.  They meant what they said, and that is indeed not only quite refreshing in this day and age, but sorely needed as well.





PS: As a FYI, September 11, 2018 will be the ninth anniversary of Saving Common Sense.  It will also be the last active day of this blog.  I have yet to decide whether I will remove the blog entirely or simply leave it up and no longer administer to it.   Regardless, I have decided to start a new "kinder and gentler" project in the coming months that will be less political and not dealing with malcontents and haters.  More to come on this soon!  Cheers!


49 comments:

TB3 said...

"I have decided to start a new "kinder and gentler" project in the coming months that will be less political and not dealing with malcontents and haters." - TP

I'm sorry to see this go, but I really hope the next project is a travel blog with lots of pictures... :)

Rain Trueax said...

Leave it up is my advice. If you totally delete it, somebody else will take your name for it. I had it happen to me with my first blog when I took it down and then thought maybe I wanted to continue. I have no idea why they even took it as they didn't do anything with it as best I could tell.

Too bad on your stopping this one as it's good to have places to logically discuss politics. There aren't many of them...

Dave Dubya said...

It is clear Mr. Paine will never comprehend why MOST people dislike Trump's policies. It will be to Mr. Paine's benefit that he will no longer be manning his blog when Trump's crimes are exposed, and the destructive consequences of his arrogant and ignorant rule come to pass.

While authoritarian Americans respect Trump, Putin laughs at his criminal racist puppet, and delights in all those useful "good Americans" who respect him.

Putin thanks you all for your support, Buh-leeeve me.

As the House Judiciary Committee confirmed the other day, The GOP is now the "Government Of Putin". They are Putin's puppets attacking the FBI and defending the worst president in history.

And I would suppose Hitler deserved Mr. Paine's respect for doing what he promised as well. He too was a racist who meant what he said. This upset all the loony liberals too for some reason. They just don't get what real virtue looks like.

Was that sorely needed, too? He certainly made Germany great again...until he destroyed it. The content of his character was a secondary concern, I'm sure. It's all about the authoritarian "triumph of the will", so to speak. Hitler opposed abortion, so he was a better leader than some "nasty woman". I'm sure many "very fine people" in our country would agree.

Authoritarians will always be authoritarians. The easily manipulated human amygdala will insure their survival and success.

When democracy loses, authoritarianism wins.

Majormajor said...

"It will be to Mr. Paine's benefit that he will no longer be manning his blog when Trump's crimes are exposed, and the destructive consequences of his arrogant and ignorant rule come to pass." Dave Dubya

What a pile of bovine excrement. The master of the failed predictions, the Lead Censor of the Left, the arrogant leftist who desires the Constitution be changed so HIS views are treated as the majority view and at the same time Constitutional, the Lead Leftist Liar who after removing posts from his blog, lies about what the post said. He is the mascot of the Left, big, yellow, and chicken.
Treat what Dave says for what it is, treasonous, lies and hate filled. You will sleep better by doing so.

Hate to see you go Mr. Paine, but the exploding head of the Left make pointing our their lies and failure a redundant process. Wait till Brett Kavanaugh is sworn in, wait until the vaunted Blue wave has the same impact as the Tidy Bowel man would on a street in San Francisco, wait until the next SCOUSA seat opens up, wait until Mueller admits he has nothing on the President, there will not be enough duct tape in the world to contain their exploding in hate and anger.

All the best to you and your future endeavors.

Dave Dubya said...

Thank you, Majormajor.

I welcome your lies and hate. You represent Trump America to the rotten core.

Majormajor said...

Stop your lies Dave, you used to be better, now you're just a Leftist Yellow Chicken, who censors while claiming to be hold American values..

Watched the movie Chappaquiddick last nite and seeing the Kennedy family and the Democrat Party's lies I was struck how the entire movie reminded me of you Dave.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"...September 11, 2018 will be the ninth anniversary of Saving Common Sense. It will also be the last active day of this blog." ~~ T. Paine

Instead of September 11th, let me suggest July 27th instead. I suspect if there's any date that will be looked upon by historians as the day that definitively linked Trump to the Russian military intelligence cyber-burglary of DNC emails, that'll be it.

Remember his arrogant boisterous bellowing, "Hello Russia, if you're listening, there are 30,000 emails..."

On the same day, the Russian military intervened to influence the outcome of the 2016 presidential election and subvert our electoral process.

So despite this, in addition to Trump's overt and obvious racism, you're still perplexed why he's not shown the respect you so obviously feel he's entitled.

That's remarkable.


"...I have decided to start a new 'kinder and gentler' project in the coming months that will be less political and not dealing with malcontents and haters." ~~ T. Paine

May I also suggest an animated puppet show as your next "kinder and gentler" project? You can start immediately with the one that started today in Helsinki and title it, as Dave has aptly proposed, "A Love Story".

The entertainment value, which you're obviously seeking, will be second to none, and you may maintain your own unique authoritarian theme throughout.

Good luck...

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"Trump: He Meant What He Said" T. Paine

Truly. After watching the joint press conference with presidents Trump and Putin following the puppet show in Helsinki, it's now very apparent this country's president's allegiance is with the Russian Federation.

Trump sided with Putin and Russia, over the United States intelligence community and our highest levels of law enforcement. He sided with yet another dictator over our esteemed rule of law and our constitutional ideals and principals.

Yes, Mr. Paine, you're absolutely correct. Heads are, indeed, exploding -- on the left, the right, and in the middle! What an extraordinary day in history!

What else could possibly be expected, and how else could it be interpreted, as our country's chief executive commits treason and pisses on the Constitution he took an oath to defend and protect?

High crimes and misdemeanors...indeed.

Dave Dubya said...

JG,
Even FOX(R) is reeling from the Surrender Summit. They don't know which strings to dance under today.

Majormajor said...

Russell Berman
Dec 16, 2016
The Atlantic.

President Obama on Friday vigorously defended his handling of Russian interference in the election, saying he did not retaliate against Moscow because he feared undermining public confidence in the integrity of the vote.

Ultimately, Obama chose to have the director of national intelligence release a statement in October identifying the Russian government as the likely source of the hacks, but intelligence officials did not accuse Moscow of trying to elect Trump until after the election. Nor did Obama publicly call out Putin or take retaliatory action. Instead, the president said he pulled Putin aside at a global conference and told him to “cut it out and there were going to be serious consequences if he didn’t.”

Why didn’t he take stronger action? Obama suggested his hands were tied by a hyperpolarized political environment and that any statement or action he took would be seen as trying to undermine Trump and aid Clinton. And he FEARED provoking Putin further. In part, Obama acknowledged, he wanted to make sure the initial meddling “wasn’t compounded by potential hacking that could hamper vote counting, affect the actual election process itself.”

“The Russians can’t change us or significantly weaken us. They are a smaller country, they are a weaker country, their economy doesn’t produce anything that anybody wants to buy except oil and gas and arms. They don’t innovate. But they can impact us if we lose track of who we are. They can impact us if we abandon our values.” B.H. Obama

Strange, but I don't seem to recall the media going crazy when this happened.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"Strange, but I don't seem to recall the media going crazy when this happened. ~~ Majormajor (aka "distraction Chuck")

You'll have to explain whatever point it is you're feebly attempting to make, Chuck.

Of course, limiting your intake of mass media to Fox News would certainly, and strangely enough, explain your not being exposed to many things. The Nazi regime during the 1930s and 1940s had a word for it. It's called propaganda.

When will you admit to Trump's treasonous siding with Putin and the Russian Federation? Have you, during your lifetime, ever seen such a spectacle -- especially with the whole world watching?

Personally, I've never been so embarrassed. How about you? Were you embarrassed by what your president said today?

Majormajor said...

Sorry my post is over your head Bill. I'd pray for you but say I'm not a Christian why bother.

"I've never been so embarrassed. How about you?" See video of Obama bowing.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"Sorry my post is over your head Bill." ~~ Majormajor (aka "head-case" Chuck)

What's a "head bill", Chuck?...your psychiatric charges? ;-)

"I'd pray for you but say I'm not a Christian why bother." ~~ Majormajor (aka "poor sentence structure" Chuck)

That's what I say, too, Chuck. Why bother?

"See video of Obama bowing." ~~ Majormajor (aka "strike-out" Chuck)

I can only assume you are referring to Obama's "bowling". He's pretty good. Carries something like a 230 average, if I'm not mistaken.

So, Chuck, were you as embarrassed as most of the nation, not to mention the whole world, when Trump treasonously sided with Putin as he rejected Russian meddling in our 2016 election?

Majormajor said...

Bill,

You win, you get to make the last stupid comment.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"...the US president is willing to trust the word of a former KGB agent ahead of the consensus of his own intelligence community. The killer quote that will send a chill through western intelligence agencies runs as follows: 'I have President Putin, he just said it’s not Russia. I don’t see any reason why it would be.'" ~~ Patrick Wintour, The Guardian, 16 July 2018

I guess Donald Trump never read the indictment docs for the twelve Russian military intelligence officers, and its excruciating detail on exactly how they attacked and burglarized DNC Headquarters on 27 July 2016.

This also happens to be the date Donald Trump, within hours of the cyber-attack, made his "Russia, if you're listening" speech.

Including Monday's events in Helsinki, it seems July is Donald Trump's "treasonous month" of choice.

Majormajor said...

How can Mueller issue indictments against 12 Russians for hacking the computers of Democrats when the FBI hasn't been allowed to see the servers of the Democrats?

Dave Dubya said...

Trump meant what he said alright. Putin is his president.

Scorning our country's intel agencies and taking Putin's side in attacking our elections? Even our coming election. It was the most embarrassing infamy and betrayal I've even seen. He made America look weak and foolish. He made Putin's day! Hell, he made Putin's year.

The gutless Big MAGAt lacks the decency and integrity to stand up for his country. And his cult loves him.

What would these so-called Americans have said if Obama sided with Putin over our bipartisan Senate and FBI/CIA assessments?

They'd call him a traitor, wouldn't they?

This sickness is killing our nation. They have made Putin great again.

It's a pity we won't be enlightened by Mr. Paine's defense of Trump's betrayal of America.

MM.

Not expecting a civil response, but the FBI didn’t need the DNC server. The info was taken into the hackers system and then passed to wikileaks. You don’t need an empty vault to prove robbery, you need to catch the robbers in possession of the cash.

Majormajor said...

"The info was taken into the hackers system and then passed to wikileaks. You don’t need an empty vault to prove robbery, you need to catch the robbers in possession of the cash."

How did they know where to look (hackers system) if they didn't know the DNC servers were hacked? Does our rule of innocence until proven guilty apply for the Russian hackers?

TB3 said...

MM,

You can actually go online right now and read all the information the DoJ has released on the investigation and indictments if you want. It would be a lot of dry information, but at least you could answer these questions yourself with first-hand sources rather than filtered through DD.

Just a thought.

Majormajor said...

Thanks TB3, s
So when's the trial (the accused are innocent until proven guilty in a trial) and evidence is shown to support the charges. Where's the evidence if all the servers of the "victims" have been destroyed to prove the "money in the bank" is missing? What court's jurisdiction will the trial be held in? Accusations are easy to make, but making them stick, well that requires a trial.

Do you think Mueller will go to Russia to investigate the people he
has charged face to face as Putin has offered? Russia and the USA have an extradition treaty, if Mueller has the goods shouldn't he at least try to bring them here for trial? If Mueller doesn't do either of these what does that mean?

The charges include no allegations of knowing involvement by anyone on the campaign and no allegations that the alleged hacking affected the election result.

Dave Dubya said...

Do you think Mueller will go to Russia to investigate the people he has charged face to face as Putin has offered?

LOL! MM wants to send our FBI to be interrogated in Russia. An "incredible deal" according the Big MAGAt puppet.

MM, Why bother chasing your hoax to Russia? Trump's president has already dictated the conclusion.

You DO trust Putin, don't you, Komrad Major?

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"The charges include no allegations of knowing involvement by anyone on the campaign..." ~~ Majormajor (aka "finally catching on" Chuck)

That's correct -- not this go-around. That'll happen with the next round of indictments, or the next after. Be patient, they're coming.


"...and no allegations that the alleged hacking affected the election result." ~~ Majormajor (aka "praying" Chuck)

That hasn't been determined, yet, with these indictments. But the investigation is ongoing. Who knows what surprises still are in the offering?

Well...unless your name is Robert Mueller...or Donald Trump. ;-)

Jefferson's Guardian said...

LOLOL

So Trump just back-peddled on his comment from Helsinki yesterday.

It seems the word "would" should have been "wouldn't", as in, "I can't see any reason why Russia wouldn't interfere in our elections..."

You've got to be s**tting me!

LOLOLOLOLOL

TB3 said...

Russia and the USA do not have an extradition treaty.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

So we've all seen and heard the treasonous "Monday Trump", and we've seen and heard back-peddling "Tuesday Trump" earlier this afternoon.

I wonder what "Wednesday Trump" will say?

LOLOLOL

Keep 'em coming, Trumpo Giggio! LOL

Dave Dubya said...

"I don't see any reason why it would be" back-pedaling

Jefferson's Guardian said...

Don't forget, "It could be others also. There are a lot of people out there." ~~ Donald Trump

More off-script meandering from our idiotic president today. LOL

Putin definitely has something over this idiot -- his useful idiot. There can not be any other explanation.

Is it something about Trump's sexual perversions, which we all laughingly mock and sneer? Is it about money laundering? Maybe it's some colossal entangled combination of the two with several other criminal, unethical and/or immoral factors included.

One thing is very very certain -- Donald Trump is afraid of, and totally owned by, Vladimir Putin.

Can we, as a nation, allow the president of the United States to be in such a compromising position?

Mr. Paine, you've been surprisingly absent of commentary during this monumental rebuff by your president of the rule of law and the country's intel community. Certainly you have an opinion to share. After all, you are the host.

Majormajor said...

"our FBI to be interrogated in Russia,"

Clueless.

"with these indictments." When's the trial?

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"Clueless" ~~ Majormajor (aka "Clueless Chuck")

You didn't have to remind us. We already knew your nickname.


"When's the trial?" ~~ Majormajor (aka "Comrad Chuck")

Chuck, I'm starting to get the impression you don't believe the criminal allegations as outlined in the twelve indictments. Is this true?

Are you sympathizing with Putin?...as your president obviously does?

Dave Dubya said...

MM and his cult are all Putin's puppets. They are now active Russian agents.

Majormajor said...

The key word Jefferson Davis's Guardian is "allegations". You do know a trial is needed to determiner if the indicted are guilty, so when's the trial? We need a trial to put this to rest. Doesn't matter what you or others believe until the trial.

Do you believe that there were no Americans involved and the actions of the indicted had no effect on the election outcome?

TB3 said...

Moving those goal posts like they are pieces on a checker board.

Majormajor said...

Mr. Paine,

I want to add to what you have said about President Trump by quoting Dov Fischer.

"He (President Trump) is a tough and smart negotiator. He sizes up his opponent, and he knows that the approach that works best for one is not the same as for another. It does not matter what he says publicly about his negotiating opponent. What matters is what results months later. In his first eighteen months in Washington, this man has turned around the American economy, brought us near full employment, reduced the welfare and food stamp lines, wiped out ISIS in Raqqa, moved America’s Israel embassy to Jerusalem, successfully has launched massive deregulation of the economy, has opened oil exploration in ANWR, is rebuilding the military massively, has walked out of the useless Paris Climate Accords that were negotiated by America’s amateurs who always get snookered, canned the disastrous Iran Deal, exited the bogus United Nations Human Rights Council. He has Canada and Mexico convinced he will walk out of NAFTA if they do not pony up, and he has the Europeans convinced he will walk out of NATO if they don’t stop being the cheap and lazy parasitic penny-pinchers they are. He has slashed income taxes, expanded legal protections for college students falsely accused of crimes, has taken real steps to protect religious freedoms and liberties promised in the First Amendment, boldly has taken on the lyme-disease-quality of a legislative mess that he inherited from Reagan-Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama on immigration, and has appointed a steady line of remarkably brilliant conservative federal judges to sit on the district courts, the circuit appellate courts, and the Supreme Court."

Not bad for a man the hating left claims is dumb.

Majormajor said...

TB3

You mean the rule of law has been changed to you are now guilty until proven innocent? You mean those goal posts?

TB3 said...

No. Not those goal posts.

We're talking about indictments and you're intentionally conflating or misunderstanding what it is.

The Special Investigator has formally accused these people of crimes. You can't get to trials without an accusation. You're blathering about, and I'm paraphrasing so you don't argue semantics, 'Well they didn't and haven't indicted Americans' 'They haven't implicated any Americans' 'No proof this affected the outcome of the elections'.

Now you're on about the rule of law and that there should be a trial. No kidding there should be a trial and no one has said anything otherwise. In your naked, unhinged attempt to defend anything possibly negative for the President you're grasping at straws and going in every conceivable direction. Just accept this spade what it is, a spade. The investigation looks like it could possibly be quite damning for a lot of people. Update your worldview when new information arises, stop ridiculously clinging to what you want the worldview to be.

The goalposts I am referring to is the way you progress through this comment chain. I got no response out of you when I correctly pointed out that Russia and America do not have an extradition treaty thus negating the point you tried to make before... but oh, you'll comment about my snide response about your shifting topics and points? Ok. Good, fruitful discussion.

Dave Dubya said...

Tb3,

When counter to facts, reason and reality, "ridiculously clinging to what you want the worldview to be" is a cult duty.

Majormajor said...

TB3

Will Mueller take Putin up on his offer to allow the indicted Russians to be interrogated in Russia by the FBI or JOD?

Link to NBC article on extradition.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/how-would-u-s-put-indicted-russians-trial-n891581

TB3 said...

Why are you asking a question you know you can't get an answer to? I admit it; I'm not Robert Mueller.

I'm curious as to why you're hammering on this odd point.

Majormajor said...

Because TB3 without a trial to bring closure, the claim of Trump working with the Russians will never be proved or disproved. Isn't that the reason for Mueller's investigation? I'm curious why you don't have a position on this but seem to be excited that Mueller has indicted people and organizations that can't be brought to trial? Like Concord, who to Mueller's shock appeared in a US court to plead not guilty and requesting the evidence being used against them. Mueller couldn't do it, unlike any other person indicted, give them his evidence for their defense. Maybe you accept Mueller's excuse at face value? But do you accept President Trumps excuses?

TB3 said...

"I'm curious why you don't have a position on this but seem to be excited that Mueller has indicted people and organizations that can't be brought to trial?" -- MM

Who claimed I didn't have a position on this? That I'm excited over the indictments? Was the investigation declared over with these latest indictments? I am as eager as you are for the investigation to find and bring closure for the country. Thankfully these latest indictments aren't the only results of the the Special Counsel's investigation, right?

"Like Concord, who to Mueller's shock appeared in a US court to plead not guilty and requesting the evidence being used against them. Mueller couldn't do it, unlike any other person indicted, give them his evidence for their defense." -- MM

Careful, your bias is showing. Concord made an accusation of the Special Counsel and your regurgitating a narrative. Robert Mueller was shocked, you say? Shocked? That a defendant would request access to the evidence used against him? You mean that Mueller, a man who has a Juris Doctor degree, was shocked that a defendant tried to exercise their basic right to evidence disclosure? Holy Hell, this investigation is doomed. The President has nothing to worry about! Of course... he never did, right?

"Mueller couldn't do it, unlike any other person indicted, give them his evidence for their defense. Maybe you accept Mueller's excuse at face value? But do you accept President Trumps excuses?"

From everything I have read about this, MM, your assertion is false. From what I understand the defense was provided electronic files but the defense rejected it because it was in Russian. That's not the same thing as refusing to give them evidence.

If you're as interested in closure of this investigation as you seem like you are you should be lauding these indictments. Signs of progress!

Majormajor said...

"your assertion is false". Great, I'm glad Mueller will question the Russians he has indicted and bring them to trial. If Mueller doesn't then what did he want to accomplish with the indictments?

"From what I understand the defense was provided electronic files but the defense rejected it because it was in Russian. That's not the same thing as refusing to give them evidence." That's strange seeing that at elections I see ballets in Spanish Vietnamese and English. Not that you will see the connection but do you mean to say that Mueller wouldn't give his evidence in English, when we can issue ballets in different langues?

"At the May 9, 2018 arraignment, Concord’s lead counsel was asked whether he represents Concord Catering, another one of the charged Russian companies. He replied that he did not and added, “I think we’re dealing with the government having indicted the proverbial ham sandwich. That company didn’t exist as a legal entity during the time period alleged by the government.”

As Homer Simpson would say, “Doh!!”

Then, hinting at more graymail to come, he remarked that, “We now know that the special counsel apparently has access to [Concord’s] confidential filings at the Office of Foreign Assets Control, which in and of itself is a disturbing fact.”

The defense lawyer then turned the heat up to eleven by stating, “Your Honor, we waive formal reading of the indictment. We enter a plea of not guilty. We exercise our right to a speedy trial.”" American Spectator June 23, 2018,
https://spectator.org/muellers-concord-mismanagement-and-convulsing/

A right to a speedy trial, does that mean Mueller will go to Russia? Doesn't our legal system guarantee a speedy trial? Will Mueller continue to drag out this useless investigation for political reasons? If you really want to find out of Russia and Trump worked together to beat HRC, would you want any stone left unturned? You should be demanding Mueller go to Russia as Putin has offered. If he doesn't, it would appear he really in't interested in finding out the truth?

Dave Dubya said...

Our Russian agent demands:

You should be demanding Mueller go to Russia as Putin has offered..

This is what ALL traitors, puppets and Russian agents urge.

(In a thick Russian accent.)

"Putin very strong and powerful. He generous and kind and just. He take care of silly investigation. Come to Mother Russia komrad!"

TB3 said...

"If Mueller doesn't then what did he want to accomplish with the indictments?" - MM

Again, answer your questions by reading the indictments.

"That's strange seeing that at elections I see ballets in Spanish Vietnamese and English. Not that you will see the connection but do you mean to say that Mueller wouldn't give his evidence in English, when we can issue ballets in different langues?" -- MM

Everything you say following 'That's strange...' doesn't really connect with what you found strange. So... what's strange?

""At the May 9, 2018 arraignment, Concord’s lead counsel was asked whether he represents Concord Catering, another one of the charged Russian companies. He replied that he did not and added, “I think we’re dealing with the government having indicted the proverbial ham sandwich. That company didn’t exist as a legal entity during the time period alleged by the government.”

As Homer Simpson would say, “Doh!!”" - MM

Ha Ha! Hilarious!

"A right to a speedy trial, does that mean Mueller will go to Russia? Doesn't our legal system guarantee a speedy trial? Will Mueller continue to drag out this useless investigation for political reasons? If you really want to find out of Russia and Trump worked together to beat HRC, would you want any stone left unturned?" - MM

What about Mueller going to Russia ensures upholding the 6th Amendment? And since when is the right concerned about useless investigations? We endured years of Benghazi and Email Servers, I think we can provide some time and patience to investigate Russian interference in our electoral process. I am sorry the dignity and sanctity of our elections isn't important to you.

"You should be demanding Mueller go to Russia as Putin has offered. If he doesn't, it would appear he really in't interested in finding out the truth?" -- MM

And by this you definitly mean that he should work through the US State Department and, perhaps leverage the President himself, to negotiate on behalf of the Special Counsel in lieu of an extradition treaty to get the accused here for their speedy trial.

I can't believe I'm having this conversation. Boy. I wish folks who profess to believe in aspects of Conservatism were this eager to extend Constitutional Rights to Central and South Americans coming here as they are for extending them to rich Russians.

Majormajor said...

Since TB3 is not interested in dialog, just proof reading my posts here's something else for him to avoid answering that he will say in off topic. Who cares.


"The Russia conspiracy theory hinges on the single creaky claim that the Democratic National Committee hacks were a Russian plot to elect Trump. The theory and all its illegitimate stepchildren, including Robert Mueller and his infinitely expanding corps of prosecutors, lives or dies by the DNC hacks."

Did the Russians hack the DNC to help the left take over the Democrats?

http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2018/07/did-russians-hack-dnc-to-help-left-take.html


Oh by the way, indictments are not proven guilt. They are unproven accusations.

TB3 said...

One day I hope you look back at all the straws you grasp for and come to understand how ridiculous the positions you choose to take are.

It's like we are revisiting TPs post on thw Twilight Zone. Consider this the avoidance of a question not asked.

Majormajor said...

Sorry my posts are over your head TB3

TB3 said...

I forgive you.

T. Paine said...

Rain, Majormajor, and TB3, thank you for your support, kind words, and advice. TB3, travel and pictures will indeed be a part of the next blog, my friend. Rain, perhaps you are right that it would be best to simply leave the site up and un-administered by me for the sake of posterity at least.

…”On the same day, the Russian military intervened to influence the outcome of the 2016 presidential election and subvert our electoral process.” ~ JG

Do you truly believe that these hackers actually influenced the outcome of the elections, J.G.? Do you actually think they swayed enough voters over to Trump to cost HRC the presidency? I have yet to see any credible proof supporting this theory at all. Is this perhaps simply wishful thinking on your behalf? I know many leftists hate Trump so much that they hope for or even fabricate stories supporting their narratives in the hope of one day being able to impeach and drive President Trump from office.

“One thing is very very certain -- Donald Trump is afraid of, and totally owned by, Vladimir Putin.” ~ JG

I’ll be the first to admit that President Trump did not avail himself very well at the press conference after the summit. I was very disappointed to say the least. All of that being said, I do not share in your “certainty” that Trump is “afraid of, and totally owned” by Putin. I am curious about what specifically causes you to draw that conclusion?

Despite Trump’s ham-handed speech, his actions regarding Russia have been far more stringent than anything done under Obama. Obama was always full of tough words, but his actions were poor to non-existent. I’ll take decisive actions over eloquent words any day.

Majormajor, your quotation by Dov Fischer further illustrates this point very nicely. Trump has taken action to correct or improve things he found lacking, just as he promised. This is indeed what makes our friends on the left very angry. The fact that Trump is not as articulate or eloquent in defending or explaining his actions is proof to them that he is “unstable”, “corrupt”, and “stupid”.

Sadly this perpetual denunciation of the Right is always so with some of our friends on the Left. To them Reagan was an “amiable dunce” who was bound and determined to provoke Gorbachev into WWIII. George W. Bush was characterized as “stupid” and someone that “lied us into war with Iraq”, despite having bipartisan congressional and international support for using force. And of course, Trump is the most dangerous of them all, because he is actually making progress in turning back the Leftist state, pruning the excess, waste, fraud, and abuse from government, and actually putting in action things that have improved the lives of millions of average Americans.

It is an unspeakable danger for Americans to see that many of these conservative ideals about smaller and more responsive government, lower taxes, and less burdensome unnecessary regulations actually works in contradiction to what our Leftist brothers and sisters have been proclaiming. Add to that fact that President Trump is actually appointing constitutionally-minded conservatives to the federal bench and SCOTUS instead of Leftist judicial activists, and of course their rage towards him is going be unparalleled. Creating boogey men and false narrative to distract the ignorant until they can find or manufacture “proof” is of course going to be their only line of defensive action. It would actually be amusing if it weren’t so damned dangerous. The Left is always at its looniest though when they are not currently in power. Now is certainly no exception.

Jefferson's Guardian said...

"Rain, perhaps you are right that it would be best to simply leave the site up and un-administered by me for the sake of posterity at least. ~~ T. Paine

C'mon, admit it, you were looking for a chorus of agreement that your blog is too valuable to abandon. It didn't happen, did it?


"Do you truly believe that these hackers actually influenced the outcome of the elections, J.G.?" ~~ T. Paine

I never did claim, nor did anybody else, that the Russian cyber-attack actually swayed the election -- but it has been proven that was their intention.


"Do you actually think they swayed enough voters over to Trump to cost HRC the presidency? I have yet to see any credible proof supporting this theory at all." ~~ T. Paine

That's possibly because nobody ever made the claim there was "credible proof". Well, not yet anyway.


"All of that being said, I do not share in your 'certainty' that Trump is 'afraid of, and totally owned' by Putin." ~~ T. Paine

That may be because you're afraid it could very well be true.


"I am curious about what specifically causes you to draw that conclusion?" ~~ T. Paine

Oh, I don't know, maybe it's his continuous subservient siding with Putin while denying his own chosen intelligence advisors and Department of Justice.

Maybe that's just me, though. ;-)


"...because [Trump] is actually making progress in turning back the Leftist state, pruning the excess, waste, fraud, and abuse from government..." ~~ T. Paine

Laughable!...especially the "fraud and abuse" part! Trump's administration is already one of the most corrupt and incorrigible in modern history.


"...and actually putting in action things that have improved the lives of millions of average Americans. ~~ T. Paine

Sure, Mr. Paine, now they can treat themselves to an extra Whopper, with cheese, and super-size their drink each pay period. Wow! I'm truly impressed, Mr. Paine. LOLOL