Ain't that the truth! I'd add to that the following as well:
British Prime Minister defends hospital that ended Alfie Evans’ life, says “Clinicians should decide”, not parents. (aka "death panels" like the one that also ended Charlie Gard's life.)
A few left-wing MSM individuals were actually unhappy with Michelle Wolf's vulgar mean-girl routine.
Israel found Iran cheating on the nuclear deal. Surprise!
Building a wall will deny the constitutional rights of myriads of ILLEGAL immigrants.
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But but but Trump's a racist!
Man, I love the Twilight Zone. Can you imagine what all of these scenerios would look like if Rod Serling wrote actual episodes about them?
For some reason, I can't imagine you would be using his picture if he had.
Here's another one from the Zone, jG claims he is not a leftist, yet his blog has link to this:
LeftyBlogs.com: Taking Back America... in all fifty states. - LeftyBlogs.com
You are ridiculous.
"jG claims he is not a leftist, yet his blog has link to this:
LeftyBlogs.com: Taking Back America..." ~~ "Ridiculous" Majormajor (aka, Chuck)
Chuck, if you'll recall I never denied being a "lefty" (only denied being a "leftist", as defined by T. Paine -- in other words, "anti-constitutional").
But you already knew this, didn't you? Nice try! ;-)
Another Zone for our time, liberals and leftist claim President Trump is a racist because he wants to put up a wall on our southern border to help stop illegal immigration and places bans on immigration from certain Muslim countries.
Yet they worship the President who for racial reasons put 100 of thousands of American citizens behind barbed wire in concentration camps because of their race, none other than FDR.
At the same time that liberals and leftist demand the removal of Confederate generals statues, they have their photos taken with the statue of the most racist President in our history, FDR.
Nice bait.
TB3
Coming from the master baiter I'll take that as a complement ;)
But not one word about the efficacy of the post and FDR..
It's true. Not one word.
TB3
You don't believe that FDR put 100s of thousands of American citizens behind barbed wire in concentration camps without the benefit of even a trial for no other reason than their race?
Or you don't know?
"...liberals and leftist [sic] claim President Trump is a racist because he wants to put up a wall on our southern border... ~~ Majormajor (aka, Chuck)
No, not this "leftist". His wall idea is just, well, bait to reel in his deplorables. I recognize that. But in reality, it's a waste of money. It'll never keep anybody out that wants in.
Instead, how about if the military-industrial-complex stopped all its war activities in Central America? Allow people to live in peace and with the ability to make a living, and nobody would want to come here. I know I wouldn't.
Maybe Trump really wants to build a wall to keep us in?
"...[liberals and leftists] worship the President who for racial reasons put 100 of thousands of American citizens behind barbed wire in concentration camps because of their race..." ~~ Majormajor (aka, Chuck)
I agree, that's a sad chapter in our nation's history. So is the burning alive of suspected witches by Christians in the early Americas, but I don't hang that over your head...or the continuing sexual abuse by clergy in the Roman Catholic Church and (other denominations).
"At the same time that liberals and leftist [sic] demand the removal of Confederate generals statues, they have their photos taken with the statue of the most racist President in our history, FDR." ~~ Majormajor (aka, Chuck)
I've never demanded the removal of confederate military statues, although it's probably not a bad idea. Germany doesn't display statues of Hitler or any other high-ranking Nazis, and as a matter of fact it's illegal to do so.
As far as the most racist president in our nation's history, how did you come to the conclusion it was FDR? I would have thought you would have selected Jefferson or Washington, or some other slave owner.
Personally, I think it's Donald Trump. In an era when slave ownership has been declared unconstitutional, and systemic racism is deplored by the majority of people, it hasn't stopped him from practicing this most hideous of human hatefulness. Or you, apparently.
Interesting enough The Twilight Zone had a pretty interesting episode revolving around WW2 Japanese-American racism. Features a you George Takei
Oh he didn't say you did. Just Strawliberals and Strawleftists. In the Twilight Zone.
"Donald Trump personally repaid his lawyer Michael Cohen the $130,000 hush money given to the adult-film star Stormy Daniels days before the 2016 presidential election to buy her silence over an alleged affair, Rudy Giuliani said on Wednesday night." ~~ The Guardian, article written by Ed Pilkington, 3 May 2018, in reference to Sean Hannity interview on Fox News
This, after Donald Trump earlier denied any affair with Stormy Daniels, or any knowledge of hush-money paid on his behalf, by his fixer-attorney, Michael Cohen.
You've just entered, and re-entered again, the Twilight Zone.
"President Donald Trump may not fire Special Counsel Robert Mueller or Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein. But if he does, the critically important story would be the president versus the rule of law and the basic structure of the American republic, not Trump versus the Democrats (or however he'll frame it)." ~~ Bloomberg, April 25, 2018
You've just traveled from the Twilight Zone into the unethical and corruption of the Trumpist Zone.
"As far as the most racist president in our nation's history, how did you come to the conclusion it was FDR? I would have thought you would have selected Jefferson or Washington, or some other slave owner."
As I'm sure you know and as I have said here and if Tom would allow my post on his blog I've tried to post there, FDR put 100 of thousand American citizens in concentration camp, behind barbed wire, under armed guards, confiscated their property, all with out trial because of their race. That is racism on a scale not seen in the USA after the Civil War and the ending of slavery.
Now you can whine about President Trump and his fathers actions in the earlier 70's about who they would rent to all you want to. A charge of discrimination is not a charge of racism. He was not President.
"So is the burning alive of suspected witches by Christians in the early Americas" This is not racism, and how many were burned alive? None... How many executed, 20.
So try as you may to deflect from the issue of FDR's racism with the rest of your post, you have yet to agree that President FDR was a racist, you have yet to disavow FDR, you have yet demand his name be removed from all public places, and his statues destroyed. You are two faced.
"from practicing this most hideous of human hatefulness."
You mean abortion? Like you.
Surprisingly; The Twilight Zone didn't really delve much into Puritan America or the Salem Witch Trials.
"You mean abortion? Like you." - MM
In the context of the sentence that you half-quoted, I'm thinking JG is referring to things like the President bullying, insulting, threatening, etc. I don't believe JG was suggesting Donald Trump had an abortion.
TB3
Don't put words into jG's mouth.
If abortion is not "human hatefulness" I can not imagine what is.
You're projecting again.
Who's "projecting"?
"In an era when slave ownership has been declared unconstitutional, and systemic racism is deplored by the majority of people, it hasn't stopped him from practicing this most hideous of human hatefulness. Or you, apparently."
jG
You are. You quoted part of that statement. Then you brought abortion into the conversation inexplicably. I piped up saying I didn't think JG was referring to the President having an abortion. You said I was putting words in JGs mouth. I am pointing out you are projecting onto me what you are, in fact, doing in regards to JG.
Twilight Zone.
"Twilight Zone." ~~ TB3
More like "Bizarro World", wouldn't you say? ;-)
"If abortion is not 'human hatefulness' I can not imagine what is." ~~ Majormajor (aka, Ridiculous Chuck)
Really?
I can, and I'm sure you haven't tried hard enough.
I am sure it's tough to do when he's spending so much energy projecting and virtue signalling.
"You mean abortion? Like you." ~~ Majormajor (aka, Ridiculous Chuck)
Chuck, you'll have to elaborate. I have no idea what you're attempting to say.
I thought we were discussing racism? Now you changed subjects, again, and you're bringing up abortion.
I sense desperation on your part, Chuck, just like your president is feeling. ;-)
Chill, man. Unlike your president, you won't go to jail. Unless, of course, there's something else you're not sharing with us. ;-)
Is there something else you'd like to tell us?
I'm sorry, Chuck. I misspoke when I indicated alleged witches were "burned alive" after conviction. Yes, they hanged. From their necks. Until dead.
From Wikipedia: "[The Salem witch trials have been] used in political rhetoric and popular literature as a vivid cautionary tale about the dangers of isolationism, religious extremism, false accusations, and lapses in due process." [bold font my own, for emphasis]
Sound eerily familiar, Chuck? It should.
You've just traveled through time and space, and have arrived, once again, in the Twilight Zone.
practicing this most hideous of human hatefulness" Guess you don't see abortion as a hideous human practice,,,you know the murder of a human while still in it's mothers womb...
That's hideous and hateful. Sorry that's beyond your understanding.
Who was the more racist president, FDR or Trump?
Which president built walls/fences to keep American citizens in based on their race?
Which president wants to build walls/fences to keep non citizens out who want to enter America illegally?
Ironclad logic and reasoning. The transition from Twilight Zone to Trump's racism via FDR non sequitur was exquisite.
It is amazing to me that of the countless millions of Conservatives that are alive and all the millions who have lived in the past have never had an abortion. Only Liberals are guilty of having abortions, the Conservatives are as pure as the driven snow!
It is an amazing accomplishment, a testament to the morally superior Conservatives !!!
"...you can whine about President Trump and his fathers actions in the earlier 70's about who they would rent to all you want to. A charge of discrimination is not a charge of racism. He was not President." ~~ Majormajor (aka, Ridiculous Chuck)
and...
"Which president built walls/fences to keep American citizens in based on their race?" ~~ Majormajor (aka, Ridiculous Chuck)
As I said previously, Chuck, that's a dark day in American history. I view what occurred as a symptom of institutional racism, which is viewed through today's mindset as horribly wrong and unjustified.
The country was at war against Japan, which I'm sure you know, so the government's actions were probably done less because they were of Asian decent and more because the could be Japanese sympathizers. Obviously, our hindsight says the end doesn't justify the means. Their lack of foresight said otherwise.
FDR listened to his advisors, mainly the military, who convinced him internment of Japanese-Americans would be the more secure action to take. Again, our ability to look back allows us to understand that was incredibly wrong.
Yet you, Chuck, voted for -- knowingly -- the racist Donald Trump for president and continue to support and stand behind the racist Donald Trump as president.
That is not justified. As I've declared already, at the least you're a racist sympathizer, and I don't need the benefit of hindsight to know that's wrong and immoral. I don't even need to be a Christian to figure that out. What's your excuse for not having the same understanding?
Woodenman,
"Only Liberals are guilty of having abortions"
Couple of things:
Guilty implies a crime IE the killing of a human. Are you admitting abortion is a crime?
List liberals who do not support abortion.
jG
Dark day but you have yet to call it racism and you have yet to note the name of the President. Why is that? Why do you give FDR cover for the racism he did? Blame it on the generals!
Tell us the racist things President Trump has done.
This could only happen in the Twilight Zone.
A CNN op-ed piece says Kanye West should not be allowed to have a “platform” to express his opinion.
“The time has come to stop amplifying his platform when he continues to misconstrue facts and distract the public from truth,” writes Ernest Owens, editor of Philadelphia magazine’s G Philly and CEO of Ernest Media Empire, LLC.
"Shutting him down is not a matter of censoring opinions; it's a matter of being responsible in how we elevate or endorse the cult of celebrity in situations that further espouse toxic lies. At this point, any outlet that continues to allow Kanye West a platform to knowingly speak such misinformation is either enabling the former or exploiting his celebrity status for ratings," Owens said.
West has been outspoken in his support of President Trump in recent weeks, drawing ire from Hollywood celebrities and liberals — especially in the mainstream media. West notably raised hackles when he said that slavery was a choice. "When you hear about slavery for 400 years ... for 400 years? That sounds like a choice," West said in a TMZ interview on Tuesday."
Cause if Blacks leave the Democrat plantation bad things will happen,, Blacks need to think as one, vote as one, and hope as one the promises made to them by the Democrats are kept.
LOL
"Tell us the racist things President Trump has done." ~~ Majormajor (aka, Ridiculous Chuck)
Already have. Yet you continually choose either to ignore, or redefine the commonly accepted definition of the word.
Whether broadly defined as commonly accepted by most people, or narrowly defined to allow you wiggle room -- as you already have -- he's still a racist. I've proven that.
And you know what this makes you. I know I do.
Guilty is more than just a legal term, MM. In Woodenman's context; He's glibly saying that Conservatives believe that only Liberals are responsible for having abortions. In this context, Woodenman is not insinuating they are guilty of any crime. Especially since it's already been lawfully determined that abortions are not illegal.
I know. Context can be a trying concept, especially when you're willfully ignoring it to score imaginary arguement points.
"List liberals who do not support abortion."
I believe you'll create a longer list if you re-word this question to what you actually mean; List people who support a person's right to choose without interference of the government.
"Tell us the racist things President Trump has done"
I imagine you don't actually care, so I do not not why you wasted your time asking. JG specifically linked ten articles in direct response to a similar question on Apr 20th in a similarly derailed conversation from T. Paine's "The Militant Left's Suppression of Our Free Speech Rights" post.
Do you have nothing else to do during the day besides trying to start and win irrelevent internet arguements? You've brought abortion and FDR into this thread when we could have been discussing Israel's ridiculous power point presentation, Michelle Wolf, The Wall, and N.H.S. which were actually brought up in the initial blogpost. Are you addicted to the dopamine rush that trolling gives you or something?
I look forward to entering the Twilight Zone universe where you ask a sincere question, get an answer, and reform your world view accordingly.
TB3 glad you are here to explain what people REALLY mean when they post something.
Twilight Zone:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. job growth increased less than expected in April and the unemployment rate dropped to near a 17-1/2-year low of 3.9 percent as some jobless Americans left the labor force.
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 51% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. Forty-nine percent (49%) disapprove.
FDR "Whether broadly defined as commonly accepted by most people, or narrowly defined to allow you wiggle room -- as you already have -- he's still a racist." And failure to disavow him makes you what?
jG
Just pointing out for the viewers at home the obvious misinterpretations. Don't say what you don't mean, MM.
"And failure to disavow him makes you what?" ~~ Majormajor (aka, Ridiculous Chuck)
Unlike you, Chuck -- and your Alt-Reich friends -- just a normal guy. ;-)
You're most definitely Twilight Zone material. You wear it well.
"And failure to disavow him makes you what?" ~~ Majormajor (aka, Ridiculous Chuck)
Unlike you, Chuck -- and your Alt-Reich friends -- just a normal guy. ;-)
You're most definitely Twilight Zone material. You wear it well.
Coming from a leftist, I'm not surprised at anything you call me.
TB3 please explain what I mean.
JG,
MM is informing you that he has no intention of actually engaging you in meaningful dialogue. He logs on every morning with a renewed desire to prove Russian Bots can't derail and deflect conversation better than a real human.
Really TB3? You think Majormajor is the one person responsible for this? Interesting.
"I look forward to entering the Twilight Zone universe where [Chuck] ask[s] a sincere question, get[s] an answer, and reform [his] world view accordingly." ~~~ TB3
It will not happen in this universe, TB3 -- not even in the Twilight Zone. Chuck is a creature of "Bizarro World", an underworld where black is white, up is down, love is hate, and everything is based upon "alternate facts".
Mr. Paine always speaks of "finding common ground", but as I told him on more than one occasion that's essentially impossible. We live and breathe from drastically opposed world-views. Like a Venn diagram, few, if any, circles intersect.
Chuck's even more distant. Our circles are light years apart, and he's intent upon moving his away when there's any gravitational pull toward each other.
Your assessment is spot-on. Chuck has no intention of ever engaging in meaningful dialogue. He's the consummate troll. He should receive an annual award for his efforts.
I bow to the troll of the year!
TP,
I'm just interpreting the meaning of MM's statement as he requested. I don't think he meant that he was the only one engaging in insincere, unproductive dialogue. Then again, I don't want to put words in his mouth. He hates that.
JG,
If T.Paine speaks of finding common ground, than I for one believe him. Of course there's common ground. T.Paine is a fan of nature and the beauty of God's creation. I share in this enjoyment. I will stand on that common ground with him. I perpetually come to his Blog to step on the uncommon ground that is many of his political view points. I do so to challenge my own biases and to understand those that think differently. I have hope that T.Paine will one day step on something he considers uncommon ground and do the same.
As far as the other venn diagram you mentioned. Lightyears is quite a long ways away. And getting further? I guess when someone doesn't stand on any ground, they're forced to float further and further away. Inertia.
“President Trump” = Twilight Zone
The official unemployment rate has dropped below 4 percent for the first time in 17 years. There have been 91 straight months of job growth for which Donald Trump will take credit after sitting in the White House for fifteen. No credit to the Kenyan Black Guy and all credit to the Orange Savior! No racism here, folks. Twilight Zone, indeed.
”A charge of discrimination is not a charge of racism.”
So if FDR discriminated against only Japanese Americans, but not against other Asians, is it really racism? Not according to what Majormajor defined previously. But we learned their definitions are subject to change, haven’t we?
Now the question is, did ALL Japanese Americans get interned? No. Of 127,000 Japanese-Americans living in the continental United States at the time of the Pearl Harbor attack, 112,000 resided on the West Coast. The presidential directive had authorized the removal of any or all people from military areas “as deemed necessary or desirable.” The Pentagon, in turn, defined the entire West Coast as a military area.
Yes, it reeked of racism, and political pressure from public hysteria and paranoia. It was implemented by Congressional approval. And we know haters hate context, but 11 thousand German Americans were interned as well.
“The Democrat plantation” sounds like something a racist would say. What does it mean? Why is a term associated with slavery used?
"Tell us the racist things President Trump has done."
A racist white nationalist would see no racism in birther MAGAt Trump. This also shows that MM doesn’t read, nor care to read, what we write. He is a troll. But we love him anyway. He can’t help it, in his fanatic cult loyalty to the Big MAGAt.
TB3: ”Are you addicted to the dopamine rush that trolling gives you or something?”
Bingo!
"I look forward to entering the Twilight Zone universe where [Chuck] ask[s] a sincere question, get[s] an answer, and reform [his] world view accordingly."
I must have missed your answer, was FDR a racist?
"I look forward to entering the Twilight Zone universe where [Chuck] ask[s] a sincere question..." ~~ TB3
and...
"I must have missed your answer, was FDR a racist?" ~~ Majormajor (aka, Ridiculous Chuck)
I'm sorry, Chuck. I must have missed the sincerity of your question.
jG
Was FDR a racist?
Sincerely,
MajorMajor
"Was FDR a racist?" ~~ Majormajor (aka, Ridiculous Chuck)
Chuck, I refer you to Dave Dubya's comment about this, time-stamped at 9:23 AM (above). From this, I'd have to conclude he wasn't.
Now, why do you refuse to answer my question addressed to you about Donald Trump? Are you afraid to face the fact that Donald Trump is a white supremacist?
What would your Jesus think about that, Chuck? Would he have approved of Trump's racism? More importantly, does your religion condone racism and white supremacist attitudes?
So if President Trump placed thousands of Black American citizens in concentration camps because of a war against a Black country, that wouldn't be racism.
Chuck, you've intentionally misworded your question, didn't you? Do you think Roosevelt round up all Asians and sent them to internment camps?...or were they strictly Japanese-Americans living on the west coast?...and only so, because Roosevelt's military advisors recommended it?
Did you even bother to read what Dave Dubya provided? (No, I didn't think so. I know...comprehension challenges, again...)
Why did you use the term "concentration camps"? Just curious.
Oh, one more thing, Chuck. Your insincerity is showing.
Emoluments clause? Constitution hating Rightists don’t care, because IOKIYAR in the Twilight Zone.
Call it impeccable timing: A federal judge in January tossed a lawsuit claiming Donald Trump was in violation of a constitutional ban against using the presidency for financial gain from foreign governments. Less than a month later, Qatar shelled out a cool $6.5 million for new digs in the Trump World Tower in Manhattan.
Nice dodge guys,,,it just proves FDR was a racist.
Thanks!
Cheers ;)
Chuck, if you think there's sufficient evidence that Roosevelt held such vehement hate and disrespect for any people of color, of opposite gender, of non-Christian faith, or any creed or nationality or people of same-sex attraction, than Donald Trump is truly the incarnation of all evil and hate and greed.
How will you explain your sympathetic support of this underworld creature to your maker when that day arrives? I'm truly curious. What will be your defense?
I hope it won't be Rudy Giuliani. ;-)
If you like FDR, you are a racist
The voice of Trump conservatism, right Mr. Paine? Is this where we find common ground?
Thank you, MM. If not for your compassionate conservative enlightenment, we liberal, leftist progressives would never know what we think.
All we need is your authoritarian guidance to find common ground and purpose for existence.
"If you like FDR, you are a racist." ~~ Majormajor (aka, Ridiculous Chuck)
I like Thomas Jefferson. Does that make me a racist? I like George Washington, also. Does that make me a racist? How about James Madison?
Chuck, TB3 nailed you perfectly. You're truly and undeniably, ridiculous.
Still curious, though, how you're going to explain away your hate at the Pearly Gates? I understand the screening process is very comprehensive. Ideas on that yet?
Still curious, though, how you're going to explain away your hate at the Pearly Gates?
No problem. I can explain this. He's scorned the poor, shilled for the rich, cheered for war and the toxic fouling of Creation, and lied for his Party and Leader.
"Republican Jesus" understands it's OKIYAR to hate certain people. They embrace their hate as a self-righteous act of faith, because con-servatism is a cult after all.
They believe we are of the Devil and they alone are God's Chosen Americans. Republican Jesus is on their side. The rest of us are fair game. Just ask their Prophet Dick Cheney, who as they believe, never lied. Just like Trump.
And we know, they thank Republican Jesus for sending Trump to save America. As Republican Jesus intended, tax cuts for the rich and less for the poor will make America great after the Kenyan Black Guy ruined everything.
This is why we must be demonized and dehumanized.
Thus we "oppose the Constitution" or any other derisive whim their "faith" (Cult) decides and defines.
Can't run from it so they bring up religion to deflect...
Run from what? A hateful stupid accusation? HA. And religious hypocrisy is always on topic for Trump and his devoted white nationalist evangelicals.
IOKIYAR Part 7,093,326: Franklin Graham wrote in a 1998 opinion piece for the Wall Street Journal: “If [Bill Clinton] will lie to or mislead his wife and daughter, those with whom he is most intimate, what will prevent him from doing the same to the American public?” Puritan Hypocrites.
He's got you, guys. Trust him. He knows deflection when he sees it.
LOL
TB3, he sure does, doesn't he?
Chuck's cult of authoritarian worshipers makes the best see-through shields of deflection the modern world has ever not seen. ;-)
Still flamebaiting, still running from FDR's racism, still trying to equate President Trump and anyone who supports him as a racist.
Meanwhile the racism of the left is brought to light by the statement from Kanye West... plantation and all.
Chuck, your deflective shields are drawing much needed amperage to keep Mr. Paine's site up-and-running.
Soon you'll be floating powerless in the vacuum and remoteness of the Twilight Zone. ;-)
More flamebait.
More drivel.
Former President Barack Obama has stated that most of the work in ending hostilities between North and South Korea was the years of diplomatic relations he conducted with North Korea prior to Trump taking office.
Michelle Obama's #BringBackOurUnifiedKorea campaign also played a key role, he added.
Obama shortly followed up with a similar Twitter announcement:
"History was made today when ABBA announced they are finally set to reunite and release new songs for the first time in 35 years. I am honored to have such an important role in ending the hostilities between Agnetha and Frida due to the years of diplomatic negotiations I conducted with them and the music industry prior to Trump taking office."
Okay, Chuck, we concede to your sympathetic white supremacist nature and dutifully admit...you're wrong. ;-)
“...drawing much needed amperage to keep Mr. Paine's site up-and-running.”
I remember when my Father was dying. My Mother was sitting next to his hospital bed holding his hand. His nurse looked at her and said, “It is his time. Let go of his hand. You are holding him back.”
I see a blog in its death throes. Farewell, TP. I let go of your hand!
Say it's not so Jerry!! You have been posting here since the blogs first year...and look how much you've added? ;)
In other news Israel is the newest catalyst for starting WWIII, they have been threatening Russia and killing Iranian solders with impunity. They are also bombing Syria on a regular basis. I guess they feel they can do whatever they want because if they get in trouble we will have to come to the rescue.
They are using Palestinians for target practice who are protesting the Israeli occupation for several weeks now. I would like to see Russia put them in their place, killing unarmed civilians is one thing, fighting a professional military force is another.
"If T.Paine speaks of finding common ground, than I for one believe him. Of course there's common ground. T.Paine is a fan of nature and the beauty of God's creation. I share in this enjoyment. I will stand on that common ground with him. I perpetually come to his Blog to step on the uncommon ground that is many of his political view points. I do so to challenge my own biases and to understand those that think differently. I have hope that T.Paine will one day step on something he considers uncommon ground and do the same." ~ TB3
And THAT is precisely why I started the blog. It is heartening to see that TB3 gets it, even if many others do not. Thank you, sir!
As for Mr. Dubya, I think I need to buy a massage for him after the painful contortions he went through in order to provide for "context" of what would have been unforgivable racism if done by a Republican president instead of FDR.
"The voice of Trump conservatism, right Mr. Paine? Is this where we find common ground?" ~ Dubya
I think, perhaps, J.G. is very sadly correct. Some people are such that no common ground can ever be found.
Jerry Critter, you have indeed been frequenting my site for many years, so you have seen the times when there were spirited debates but rational debates nonetheless. You have seen the lean years when I wrote very little as life's circumstance kept me otherwise engaged. And you have seen the hateful, juvenile, and basically useless invective that seems to commonly occupy the comment sections nowadays.
My purpose in starting the blog the better part of a decade ago was so that I could explain my thoughts and discuss, debate, re-evaluate, refine, and discard various beliefs as warranted. It was where I could do so with people of varying opinions, including those who thought in ways diametrically opposed to me. I made the assumption, incorrectly it would seem, that there were enough other people out there that would be similarly interested in such a forum. Instead, this site has just become another hate-filled commentary that is so indicative of the political climate in which we live. Sadly, I have at times even allowed myself to sink to that lowest common denominator in such "debates". For that I truly and sincerely apologize to everyone. It is because of the seemingly irreconcilable divisions and abject hatred that exist today that I am winding down this site. It is time.
MM: “If you like FDR, you are a racist.” Blatant hate and ignorance ignored, or agreed, or both, by TP.
DD: ”If you like FDR, you are a racist” The voice of Trump conservatism, right Mr. Paine? Is this where we find common ground?
Context ignored and response directed at straw man.
TP: ...”painful contortions he went through in order to provide for "context" of what would have been unforgivable racism if done by a Republican president instead of FDR.”
DD; “So if FDR discriminated against only Japanese Americans, but not against other Asians, is it really racism? Not according to what Majormajor defined previously. But we learned their definitions are subject to change, haven’t we?”
Ignored completely.
DD: “Yes, it reeked of racism”. Ignored by TP. Just don’t call them willfully ignorant.
Conclusion: FDR was a racist for targeting only West Coast Asians of ONE nationality, a nation that attacked us. Trump is “not racist” for birtherism, refusing to rent to Blacks, and campaigning on a broad Muslim ban, that eventually targeted select countries and refugees.
Emoluments clause brought up by “Constitution opposing leftist”. Ignored by “Constitutional expert” TP.
Thank you Mr. Paine. Your purpose has been fulfilled. The lesson is learned.
Ignore valid points when inconvenient; accuse and blame rather than discuss rationally. If only Mr. Paine understood our side as much as we understand his. But open minds are not the hallmark of conservatism. They choose to unilaterally define and demean, rather than discuss and debate with evidence.
IOKIYAR, or Conservative, after all. The sooner everyone agrees with that, the sooner we find “common ground”.
"...in order to provide for 'context' of what would have been unforgivable racism if done by a Republican president instead of FDR." ~~ T. Paine
You can't possibly know this, Mr. Paine, since it's impossible to know "what would have been" if something else had occurred.
The "context" you refuse to acknowledge was exactly the reason Japanese-Americans were held in internment camps on the west coast. The world was literally at war, and certainly provocative measures were taken to assure the safety and national security of a nation under attack. People of color were seen, unfortunately, as second-class citizens in those days, so from our vantage point the feelings we hold for those atrocious acts is different than that of those people who lived through it.
As Dave Dubya correctly pointed out, Roosevelt's advisors and military leaders suggested this action -- as cruel and inhumane as we see their decision in hindsight today.
"And you have seen the hateful, juvenile, and basically useless invective that seems to commonly occupy the comment sections nowadays." ~~ T. Paine
Mostly due to the hateful, juvenile, and basically useless invective nature of a demagogue swept into office by an under-educated and racist base unable to identify the real reasons for their economic woes.
Trump stirred the pot, not unlike Adolf Hitler did in the 1930s, and rode to power on the backs of scapegoated Muslims, Hispanics, LGBT and other minorities and communities, while the real perpetrators remained at-large or within the very government they sent into office. This comedy will ultimately turn tragic because of their willful ignorance and hatefulness.
"It is because of the seemingly irreconcilable divisions and abject hatred that exist today that I am winding down this site. It is time." ~~ T. Paine
Last one out, turn off the lights...
"The 'context' you refuse to acknowledge was exactly the reason Japanese-Americans were held in internment camps on the west coast. The world was literally at war, and certainly provocative measures were taken to assure the safety and national security of a nation under attack. People of color were seen, unfortunately, as second-class citizens in those days, so from our vantage point the feelings we hold for those atrocious acts is different than that of those people who lived through it." ~ J.G.
Lets ignore the fact for the moment that these were AMERICAN citizens that were rounded up without due process. Why is it so damned hard for you and Dave to denounce one of your own when they did wrong? Why is it so hard to say, "Yep, FDR was wrong and the buck stopped with him." Instead, you have to provide "context" and "mitigating circumstances" to justify this anti-constitutional racist behavior, regardless of which folks gave him political cover. These AMERICANS had not done anything to justify this treatment.
And yet, many on the left don't see the apparent double standard and shear hypocrisy with Trump's ban on SOME Muslims that hail from countries that actually wish harm on America when they cannot be properly vetted as being whom they claim to be. It is not a blanket ban on all Muslims. It is simply ensuring that would-be immigrants (NOT AMERICANS) seeking entrance to America first wish us no harm. The FACT that ISIS and other militant Islamic groups actually stated they were infiltrating refugees to get terrorists into our country should be a concern to all, evidently with the exception of those that have their PC heads stuck very deep into dark and unsanitary places in their bodies.
Evidently any ground to be found will be very uncommon.
James, I will address your comments later, my friend. Needless to say, I vehemently disagree with your take on the situation, sir.
Why is it so damned hard for you and Dave to denounce one of your own when they did wrong?
DD: “Yes, it reeked of racism”. Ignored AGAIN by TP.
The real question is, “What’s do damn hard for Mr. Paine to comprehend what we say?”
Mr. Paine once again needed to IGNORE what I said to him at Degan’s blog:
Mr. Paine,
You make a point.
"He(FDR) did round up AMERICANS of Japanese ancestry without due process simply because of that ancestry. THAT sounds like a pretty egregious example of racism to me."
He didn’t trust Japanese Americans the same way the Right regards Muslim Americans. The difference being then was then and now is now. And I condemn such bigotry, both then and now. You don’t. That’s the difference between us.
If this isn’t willful ignorance or utter dismissal of other views, then I need cons to give me more definitions.
Where's Majormajor when we need his all-wise, all-knowing, new definitions?
I'm still trying to figure out what FDR has to do with anything at the moment. Is it an attempt at pointing out hypocrisy? As a deflection from current Republican/Conservative/Whatever we want to call ourselves hypocrisy around the treatment of President Trump?
I like how we're doggedly sticking to getting a couple of guys on the internet to disavow a dead guy's actions as a means of avoiding having to talk about a living guy's actions that should be the subject of discussion.
Great distraction technique.
"As Dave Dubya correctly pointed out, Roosevelt's advisors and military leaders suggested this action -- as cruel and inhumane as we see their decision in hindsight today." But strangely in hindsight today, not racist.
Still I wonder what the left would say if we were at war with an African country and President Trump placed "just" 127,000 blacks who were related to the country we were at war with? I'm just sure BLM would agree with his actions.
Isn't it strange that FDR didn't put anyone of the White race whose family's came from Germany and Italy in concentration camps? Guess his generals were not racists.
Am I the only person who actually reads history books, or any journalist at all?
Isn't it strange that FDR didn't put anyone of the White race whose family's came from Germany and Italy in concentration camps?
Proof again. Willful ignorance or utter dismissal of other's views.
And I repeat for the cognitive and reading impaired: "And we know haters hate context, but 11 thousand German Americans were interned as well."
Low information voters can't pay attention, can they? But they certainly crave attention, don't they?
Great distraction technique.
It's obvious that's the only tool in someone's shed.
"Why is it so damned hard for you and Dave to denounce one of your own when they did wrong? Why is it so hard to say, 'Yep, FDR was wrong and the buck stopped with him.' Instead, you have to provide 'context'" ~~ T. Paine
It isn't "so damned hard" to denounce Roosevelt's internment order, but he didn't do it out of hateful racism -- which is what you are pressing.
He did it because we were in a declared world war and Japan was the enemy. As Dave also pointed out, thousands of German-Americans were also held in captivity. I already said, twice, it was a sad time in our history and shouldn't have happened.
My question is why neither you or Chuck will denounce Trump's confirmed racism, today -- and instead deflect to that of a man who's been dead for 70-plus years, was in the throes of guiding the nation through a world war, and locked up ancestry of our enemy not because of their race but, rather, because of their ancestral country of origin. It was wrong and undoubtedly illegal, but I do not believe it was based upon racist intentions.
I don't recall any speeches or quotations from that period where Roosevelt denounced Japanese or Japanese-Americans with hateful racist language as a technique to garner support from his base or political supporters. If you can locate any, please let me know. I've already provided ample evidence of Trump doing the same, or similar, yet you chose to ignore it.
Trump's words and actions, which I enumerated on April 20th but you totally ignored, did have racist underpinnings. Why can't you denounce him and acknowledge this?
How come, Mr. Paine? Why?
In 1940, more than 1.2 million persons had been born in Germany, 5 million had two native-German parents, and 6 million had one native-German parent.
11,000 interned.
The government examined the cases of German nationals individually, and detained relatively few in internment camps run by the Department of Justice, as related to its responsibilities under the Alien and Sedition Acts. To a much lesser extent, some ethnic German US citizens were classified as suspect after due process and also detained.
Was the same done for the Japanese?
But if President Trump had done this,well you know the rest of the story.
It's certainly a charmed life to have complete and utter control over one's reality.
"I like how we're doggedly sticking to getting a couple of guys on the internet to disavow a dead guy's actions as a means of avoiding having to talk about a living guy's actions that should be the subject of discussion." ~~ TB3
Scottie, give me full power on the deflection shields! Bridge, warp-speed ahead to the Twilight Zone! LOL
"I like how we're doggedly sticking to getting a couple of guys on the internet to disavow a dead guy's actions as a means of avoiding having to talk about a living guy's actions that should be the subject of discussion." ~~ TB3
Scottie, give me full power on the deflection shields! Bridge, warp-speed ahead to the Twilight Zone! LOL
Al Gore's "An Inconvenient Sequel: Truth to Power" is humanity's last chance to save the Earth before it ends five years ago..
Bridge, warp-speed ahead to the Twilight Zone!
One avenue to perpetuate an argument closes, so let's take a u-turn and now go on an inexplicable turn down la rue Al Gore. I think you're the driver of the car President Obama warned us about in 2012.
Will Lisa Page be offered a job at CNN?
TB3: It's certainly a charmed life to have complete and utter control over one's reality.
LOL. Only cults, conservatives, and Republicans may seize the authority to make up their own words and reality. “Cain’t be a trustin’ no edjacaters, er siantists, er jernelists. Nosiree, Bob! They ain’t a goona fool ME with their fake news an lyes. Only Trump has all the answers. You’ll see.”
As Colbert told Bush Jr. “Reality has a well-known liberal bias.”
What else are the poor things to do?
”List the "proven" racism of President Trump.”
Yeah, why has no one shown Majormajor ANY example of Trump’s racism? I mean, really. Isn’t anyone going to pay attention to him for a change?
In the spirit of his fair and balanced demand, allow me to answer.
And no Fake Nooze er fake birth certificate allowed! Majormajor and those very fine people marching with Nazis all know Blacks, liberals and leftists are the real racists.
Oh, and Al Gore! What about Al Gore? Yeah, what about HIM? We gotta play the “whatabout game” to deflect and distract.
And also, what about Alfred E. Neuman?
What, ME worry?
No way. We have Majormajor here to keep our discussion civil, reasoned, and on track.
"And also, what about Alfred E. Neuman? What, ME worry? No way. We have Majormajor here to keep our discussion civil, reasoned, and on track."
And one must not forget, "gentlemanly".
Mr. Paine, I understand several of us have become a thorn in your side, but you must also admit that Chuck is an embarrassment to you.
If he were a teammate of mine, I know I would be. If and when he ever becomes a free agent, please pay him well to stay on your side. We don't want him. At least now he bolsters our positions perfectly. :-)
MM,
You keep asking. You've been provided a sampling. You're not commenting on the demonstrated racism of Trump and instead you move onto your next topic in a means of deflecting and distraction.
"I imagine you don't actually care, so I do not not why you wasted your time asking. JG specifically linked ten articles in direct response to a similar question on Apr 20th in a similarly derailed conversation from T. Paine's "The Militant Left's Suppression of Our Free Speech Rights" post." - I told you where to find the list earlier in this comment section.
Can't find common ground when you keep changing the ground you're standing on. You enjoy watching the train wreck after you derail the conversation. Poor T.Paine's Blog.
Examples of racism by President Trump please. Is that civil enough for you?
"It isn't 'so damned hard' to denounce Roosevelt's internment order, but he didn't do it out of hateful racism -- which is what you are pressing." ~ J.G.
So FDR's intentions weren't racist or hateful thereby, again, creating mitigating circumstances. He did something wrong and evil, but he didn't have malice in his heart when he did it, so we can make excuses for him due to the context of the history at that time. Got it. (It is also interesting how you can know the intentions in the hearts of both FDR and Trump, by the way. Can you teach me that trick?)
"He did it because we were in a declared world war and Japan was the enemy." ~ J.G.
We are now in a war with extremist Islamic elements too that have killed Americans on American soil, but evidently Trump is racist because he doesn't want more such foreign nationals entering our country to kill more Americans. Herein lies the great difference that we keep glossing over; the internment of Americans of Japanese ancestry was illegal and immoral. They were AMERICANS and had their constitutional rights and due process revoked from them. I am sure you will likely disagree, but Trump's "Muslim ban" was targeted towards NON-AMERICANS that did not have the same constitutional rights that American citizens have. Further, he did not blanket all Muslims. He targeted only those from certain dangerous and unstable countries, almost all of which the Obama State Department similarly had restrictions upon. Trump's motivations in his TEMPORARY travel ban by people from these dangerous or failed states was not out of racism but out of his constitutional duty as president to protect the people of the United States. That doesn't mean that Trump has not said or done other various racist things, which I have already denounced and continue to denounce today; however, in this case he was not denying Americans of their rights and due process. He was doing his job.
"My question is why neither you or Chuck will denounce Trump's confirmed racism, today ..."~ J.G.
I just did... again... for the umpteenth time. Who has the reading comprehension problem?
"LOL. Only cults, conservatives, and Republicans may seize the authority to make up their own words and reality. 'Cain’t be a trustin’ no edjacaters, er siantists, er jernelists. Nosiree, Bob! They ain’t a goona fool ME with their fake news an lyes. Only Trump has all the answers. You’ll see.' " ~ Dubya
Some folks are "educated" well beyond the capabilities of their own intelligence, but thanks for your enlightened condescension against anything which you don't understand or with which you disagree, sir. The irony is that you have made up your own definitions to words for a long time, Dave. You are just more circumspect in doing so. According to you, anybody that voted for or supports Trump still is an abject racist, by YOUR definition. Anyone that is a conservative or a Republican obviously wants to do away with all the media except Fox, by YOUR definition. Any conservative that questions the validity of the erroneous models for climate change is obviously anti-science by YOUR definition. I clarified what I meant in an article when I used the word leftist. You have defined conservatives and Republicans to be unedjumicated, aunti-scientificaal, and hateful of jernalists. Right? Or have I misinterpreted you unfairly?
"As Colbert told Bush Jr. 'Reality has a well-known liberal bias.' " ~ Dubya
And this is precisely part of the problem. We are using a leftist hack talk show comedian as our authority on politics now. Yep, that is truly enlightenment.
One wonders what a Dubya White House would look like?
President Dubya
VP Bernie Sanders
Secretary of State Soros
WH press secretary Colbert
Am I close? ;)
"So FDR's intentions weren't racist or hateful thereby, again, creating mitigating circumstances. He did something wrong and evil, but he didn't have malice in his heart when he did it, so we can make excuses for him due to the context of the history at that time. Got it.
I don't recall saying his actions were evil. I said "wrong and illegal". I realize "evil" and "illegal" possibly rhyme, but they're not synonyms. Nice try though!
No, I never claimed Roosevelt had malice toward any race or creed or ethnic group -- in his heart or otherwise -- but Trump's words on the campaign trail, while in office, and even prior while in business (of which I've provided evidence), would indicate so to any rational person (and non-sympathizer). Wouldn't you agree?
I'll continue later, Mr. Paine. In the meantime, put your dance shoes on.
"I don't recall saying his actions were evil. I said 'wrong and illegal'. I realize 'evil' and 'illegal' possibly rhyme, but they're not synonyms. Nice try though!" ~ J.G.
Nope, you did not say that FDR's actions were evil. That word is only to be used in connection with Republicans and conservatives by most leftists, I suspect. I was the one that said that FDR's actions were evil. When one deprives another person of their freedom, let alone constitutional rights, without just cause or due process, that is evil. Do you not agree, J.G.?
As for President Trump, he has indeed said and done things that are racist or could reasonably be construed as such by an objective person. I denounced him for such things. That said, his travel ban in its intended execution is not "racist". Please explain if you think otherwise.
I'll be dancing while I await your response. :)
"When one deprives another person of their freedom, let alone constitutional rights, without just cause or due process, that is evil. Do you not agree, J.G.?" ~~ T. Paine
Mr. Paine, those years and the ensuing actions were terrible and regretful. I've made that very clear. As for there being "evil" intentions -- as in racist motivations behind those internments -- I disagree.
I've given you ample opportunity to prove me wrong about this by asking you to provide examples of racist rhetoric or wording by Roosevelt that would indicate his motivation behind the internments was racially motivated. To date you haven't done this.
Let me reemphasize, I certainly do not condone the actions of that administration. Likewise, I didn't live through the uncertainty of the times or the Great Depression before, so I cannot know the feelings or emotions of the times and pass judgement through the lens of my perspective today.
But a lot of water has passed under the bridge since those days. The "separate but equal" judgements have been usurped by integration and equality through the landmark Brown case and the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts of the LBJ era.
We've progressed in providing equality (as opposed to your preferred "opportunity") and we continue to improve despite the bumps in the road placed by conservatives and the Alt-Reich Trumpists. I prefer to see progression instead of regression, which the Trump administration has revived and attempted to normalize.
Continue dancing, Mr. Paine. More about this later.
This is some terrific whataboutism.
Thanks to Majormajor for the LBJ quote. Whataboutism, aka deflection, is all he has to offer.
Trump didn't say "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." like LBJ did..
MM is correct. Trump didn't say that. Trump wouldn’t and cannot say it, because it was about HIM, not LBJ.
We know MM and Mr. Paine likely won’t read this, but for the rest of you, “What about LBJ”?
LBJ spoke in the crude manner of Southern white men of his time. And hell yes, much of it was racially offensive. He often used the N word. Sadly that was far more acceptable back then.
His actions, on the other hand, were far different from his crude words.
We know our conservative friends really hate context and all, but let’s make it clear where that quote came from. LBJ was talking about Dixiecrats, many Republicans, and other racist politicians.
Bill Moyers explains:
We were in Tennessee. During the motorcade, he spotted some ugly racial epithets scrawled on signs. Late that night in the hotel, when the local dignitaries had finished the last bottles of bourbon and branch water and departed, he started talking about those signs. “I’ll tell you what’s at the bottom of it,” he said. “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”...and even buy a MAGAt hat.
With those words, and just like that, he explained the Trump Cult. No wonder it went completely over Majormajor’s head. Trump benefitted from TP and Majormajor emptying their pockets to the NRA. That money promptly went to support Trump’s campaign. Dare I suggest Majormajor even emptied his head of facts and reason for his beloved racist Birther Savior?
Here is some more of that “LBJ racism” that Trump never said, and never will.
From LBJ’s Memorial Day Speech (1963)
Until justice is blind to color, until education is unaware of race, until opportunity is unconcerned with the color of men's skins, emancipation will be a proclamation but not a fact. To the extent that the proclamation of emancipation is not fulfilled in fact, to that extent we shall have fallen short of assuring freedom to the free.
Civil Rights Bill Signing Speech (1964)
Americans of every race and color have died in battle to protect our freedom. Americans of every race and color have worked to build a nation of widening opportunities. Now our generation of Americans has been called on to continue the unending search for justice within our own borders. We believe that all men are created equal. Yet many are denied equal treatment. We believe that all men have certain unalienable rights. Yet many Americans do not enjoy those rights. We believe that all men are entitled to the blessings of liberty. Yet millions are being deprived of those blessings--not because of their own failures, but because of the color of their skin. The reasons are deeply imbedded in history and tradition and the nature of man. We can understand--without rancor or hatred--how this all happened. But it cannot continue. Our Constitution, the foundation of our Republic, forbids it. The principles of our freedom forbid it. Morality forbids it. And the law I will sign tonight forbids it.
Let us close the springs of racial poison. Let us pray for wise and understanding hearts. Let us lay aside irrelevant differences and make our Nation whole.
Later that evening, LBJ said, “I think we just delivered the South to the Republican party for a long time to come”.
As a Southern white man, he understood the deep-seated racism and bigotry that spawned the imminent racist Republican “Southern strategy”.
And he explained the rise of Trumpism.
Well said, Dave!
"Trump wouldn’t and cannot say it, because it was about HIM, not LBJ."
Proof to back this claim would be nice, but not expected.
"Sadly that was far more acceptable back then"
Says who?
MSNBC
Adam Serwer
During one trip, Johnson was discussing his proposed civil rights bill with two governors. Explaining why it was so important to him, he said it was simple: “I’ll have them N word voting Democratic for two hundred years.”
“That was the reason he was pushing the bill,” said MacMillan, who was present during the conversation. “Not because he wanted equality for everyone. It was strictly a political ploy for the Democratic party. He was phony from the word go.”
Ronald M. MacMillan, was a former Air Force One steward serving under LBJ
Did President Lyndon Johnson, after signing the Civil Rights Act of 1964, said that “We have lost the South for a generation.”? Not according to Dr. Steven J. Allen of Capital Research Center.
"I have made a diligent effort to find a reference to the Johnson story that was published prior to 1985, and have found no such reference." No White House tape of this statement is to be found. "I have made a diligent effort to find a reference to the Johnson story that was published prior to 1985, and have found no such reference."
Interesting isn't it that Jimmy Carter (D) won every southern state in 1976 but Virginia...so much for5 the Democrats losing the south...a lie.
I know Dave will not read or believe this..LOL!!
"As for there being 'evil' intentions -- as in racist motivations behind those internments -- I disagree." ~ J.G.
I didn't say his intentions were evil. I said his actions of depriving fellow Americans of their freedom and rights without just cause or due process was evil. Do you agree that the ACTIONS were evil, J.G.?
"I've given you ample opportunity to prove me wrong about this by asking you to provide examples of racist rhetoric or wording by Roosevelt that would indicate his motivation behind the internments was racially motivated. To date you haven't done this." ~ J.G.
Again, I don't care about his intentions. I care about his actions. I am sure that FDR thought that he was serving the greater good with his "intentions" that deprived Americans of their freedom. I am not aware off hand of him making racists comments against Japanese Americans. He simply locked them up. I know many on the left are big on "intentions" and fail to realize that their "actions" are often what ends up being most devastating. LBJ's great society was ostensibly intended to help out the poor. What it did was firmly ensconce them in government dependency and thereby solidify a powerful Democrat voting block.
The horribly racist LBJ's private rhetoric showed his hatred of black Americans, but his actions with various civil rights legislation betrayed his private loathing. He let political expediency guide his good actions that happened to trump his otherwise racist intentions, and thankfully so.
"We've progressed in providing equality (as opposed to your preferred "opportunity") and we continue to improve despite the bumps in the road placed by conservatives and the Alt-Reich Trumpists. I prefer to see progression instead of regression, which the Trump administration has revived and attempted to normalize." ~ J.G.
ROFL. And that is the crux of the matter. Government and all of the "well-intentioned" leftists in the world cannot "provide equality among people". That is the false and failed doctrine of Marxism. Now before you all blow a gasket, yes, we absolutely have a moral and constitutional obligation to provide equality under the law; however, you cannot legislatively mandate that all people are "equal" in essence. We must ensure that everyone has equal access to justice and equal application of the law. We cannot ensure that everyone is equal in their societal outcomes. That is where many leftists go wrong. They don't want to provide an equal opportunity for all Americans to work hard and strive to use their talents, perseverance, and sweat to better themselves, after all some folks are born with "white privilege". Instead they want to ensure that everyone has an equal outcome, at least on some minimally acceptable level, regardless of whether the person in question worked to achieve that level or not.
Further, one of the things Trump has gotten right is to remove a lot of the B.S. red tape of government and to reduce taxes so that all Americans, regardless of color, can see the fruits of their own labor be better reaped. It is part of the reason why, when considering many economic factors, black Americans (like most Americans) are already doing dramatically better under this administration when compared to the last. (I know..I know... this is still all Obama's doing...ROFL!)
Thanks, Context Dave.
As I just stated in my previous comment, the horribly racist LBJ chose political expediency with his actions in supporting civil rights legislation, despite his own personal racism. For his actions, I am grateful. For his disgusting private racist views that were widely known, I am not surprised that you will ignore or fail to acknowledge them and provide all of the beautiful public comments with proper "context" of this racist cretin. Only you could white wash LBJ and state how 50 years later how this all became the rise of racist Trumpism. You are completely lost in your leftism, sir.
Mr. Paine,
”One wonders what a Dubya White House would look like?”
LOL! I can assure you my Administration would be far more qualified, compassionate, and less crooked than Trump’s kleptocracy. I most certainly would not appoint Wall Street insiders and science denying advocates of corporate polluters in regulatory positions. I would also not attack our Constitutional free press as an “enemy of the people”.
I would not violate the Constitution’s emoluments clause. I would not threaten my political adversaries with jail and undermine and obstruct legitimate law enforcement. I would not demand the death penalty for non-violent drug dealers. How evil is that?
Colbert is infinitely more honest in his humor than Angry Sarah the Liar. I suppose in your judgment, Colbert the “leftist” also “opposes the Constitution”? No evidence required, of course.
The irony is that you have made up your own definitions to words for a long time, Dave.
This is what separates us. If I make an accusation, or even if I take literary license to coin a word or phrase, I would justify it with facts and evidence. So yes, you are correct.
You are just more circumspect in doing so.
Definition of circumspect. : careful to consider all circumstances and possible consequences: prudent.
According to you, anybody that voted for or supports Trump still is an abject racist, by YOUR definition. Anyone that is a conservative or a Republican obviously wants to do away with all the media except Fox, by YOUR definition. Any conservative that questions the validity of the erroneous models for climate change is obviously anti-science by YOUR definition.
Hmm. Them thar’s a whole lotta words you just put in my mouth, sir. How about being a gentleman and quoting where I made such statements or definitions?
Never mind. That never happens.
I clarified what I meant in an article when I used the word leftist.
Then I must apologize. I missed your clarification. I have no idea what your new definition of “leftist” is. Evidently Stephen Colbert and I share the honor, so no hard feelings.
You have defined conservatives and Republicans to be unedjumicated, aunti-scientificaal, and hateful of jernalists.
Only the conservatives and Republicans who are unedjumicated, aunti-scientificaal, and hateful of jernalists. I have a special fondness for all of Trump’s shills who insist Trump has never lied. How would you characterize them?
Never mind that, too. That blind authoritarian loyalty is probably a virtue to you.
If I understand correctly, if FDR incarcerated only non-citizen Japanese nationals it would not be racism. But it was racist to incarcerate the US citizens? Just trying to learn the new definition.
Their rights were violated, not due to race, but nationality. This fact goes unrecognized for some reason. That’s not quite like racism in the sense birtherism is, declaring his fake nationality and suggesting the Black President is a terrorist sympathizing Muslim. That’s not the same racism as refusing to rent to Blacks, even after a court order. That’s not the same racism as saying an American with Mexican parents can’t be an impartial judge. That’s not the same racism as demanding the execution of exonerated Black youths.
But then again FDR was called a commie and “traitor to his class” of wealthy elites, therefore any and all evil can be assigned to him. It’s been the “Right thing to do” for decades. And it comes in so handy to deflect negative attention away from the crimes, lies, and bigotry of the Party of Nixon, Cheney, and Trump.
"Again, I don't care about his intentions. I care about his actions." ~~ T. Paine
No, I respectfully disagree. The very fact he interned Japanese-Americans ("action") was because you claimed he was a racist ("intention"). I claimed his action ("internment") was not due to an underlying intention ("racism"), but rather other circumstances (as already previously mentioned).
I get credit for the point. Roosevelt's actions were not motivated by racism, which if you'll recall was the diversion your team attempted to use as a deflection from Trump's proven racism.
Do you agree, Mr. Paine, or do you still feel the impulse to continue bringing in sidebars such as LBJ and other unrelated topics to the racism we must all deal with from our president today?
You're truly delving into the Twilight Zone. Does it feel better that way?
Mr. Paine,
LBJ's great society was ostensibly intended to help out the poor. What it did was firmly ensconce them in government dependency and thereby solidify a powerful Democrat voting block.
Dishonest dogma. Poverty was reduced. Many Americans were, and ARE better off for it. MOST recipients of government assistance find work and move on with their lives. But these facts don’t fit the hateful agenda of less for the poor so there’s more for the rich does it?
But that can’t be admitted by the ones who want to cut food stamps and create trillions of debt, all so corporate elites get tax cuts from the government THEY bought.
LBJ's private rhetoric showed his hatred of black Americans
Like your rhetoric shows hatred for me and those who disagree with you?
No quote to support the accusation. Typical.
He let political expediency guide his good actions that happened to trump his otherwise racist intentions, and thankfully so.
OPINION. Not fact, as usual.
one of the things Trump has gotten right is to remove a lot of the B.S. red tape of government and to reduce taxes so that all Americans, regardless of color, can see the fruits of their own labor be better reaped.
“Fruits of their labor”? Or bribery accomplished?
Obamacare costs will rise. People will lose health care. CHIP will be gutted. Kids will lose health care, all so greedy rich assholes get more money than any human can possibly spend. Servants of mammon get their way again. Gee, that happens a lot. I wonder why...
We can just about smell the greatness.
TP: “Again, I don't care about his intentions. I care about his actions.”
Right. Just like you’ve shown us with LBJ. NOT! You’ve been obsessed with labeling LBJ’s alleged racism as a greater influence than his actions. All to deflect from what’s happening now.
For his disgusting private racist views that were widely known, I am not surprised that you will ignore or fail to acknowledge them
I’m not at all surprised you missed what I wrote. Same old, same old.
Only you could white wash LBJ and state how 50 years later how this all became the rise of racist Trumpism.
Too many facts for you? As with MM, that quote went way over your head too. You want to call LBJ a racist to justify your hate for him. You did the same with BLM. AND you agree with Trump about very fine people marching with Nazis.
Yup. That tells us something more about you than LBJ.
proper "context" of this racist cretin
Yup. You really do hate context, so much you ignored the content, AND removed it from its context. ;-)
Majormajor forgets Carter was an exception, a Southern Baptist farmer. Ford was a damn Yankee. Who would you expect them to vote for?
In 1950, every single Southern governor and U.S. Senator was a Democrat, along with 98 percent of the members of Congress.
Compare that to today, where Democrats are the minority in all Southern states.
Majormajor is convinced the OPINION of a disgruntled far Right Ronald M. MacMillan is the factual authority on what was in the mind of LBJ.
It must be Ok for MacMillan to put thoughts in LBJ’s head, amirite?
Sorry. Everyone has an opinion, but facts need to support the accurate ones. MM hasn’t any facts on the matter. Some things never change.
Majormajor is convinced the OPINION of a Dr. Steven J. Allen of Capital Research Center is the factual authority on what was said by LBJ.
Because Majormajor believes and trusts the authority of a far Right Tea Party Republican, this overrules the man to whom the words were directly spoken.
I’m sure Mr. Paine shares the same loyalty to the Tea Party authoritarian who knows more than the living witness to the words.
It’s the “Right thing” after all.
What’s this?
“Michael Cohen Accepted $500,000 From Firm Tied To Russian Oligarch”
Quick! Somebody call LBJ a racist!
BTW, Iran didn't cheat on the agreement. Trump did. North Korea and Iran now can claim Trump won't abide agreements.
I feel safer and greater already. Don't you?
Now back to that evil racist from over half a century ago...
"I'll deal with your lies, leftist propaganda, and other bullshit from your previous comment tomorrow, Dave. ~~ T. Paine
My, such ungentlemanly behavior. Tsk, tsk.
And for the record, part of the "agreement" that the Logan-Act-violating POS John Kerry made on behalf of Obama without congressional consent was that Iran had to fully disclose their nuclear program up until the time the agreement was made. The intel that Benjamin Netanyahu recently provided clearly shows that Iran lied from the very beginning.
You and the rest of the hate-America-first crowd can slam Trump for pulling us out of a deal that should never have been made in the first place and which Iran has been proven to never have intended abiding by in the very first place.
But I know that you think Obama made the world safer, and in a way he did... for the leading state sponsor of terrorism.
Yeah, we definitely "fundamentally transformed America" into a PC leftist regime that gets made when the commander in chief actually stands up to terrorist regimes. Flipping amazing.
And J.G., your damn straight. I am done with the bull crap. You haven't even begun to see nasty ungentlemanly behavior yet. Go celebrate. I know that is what you trolls want. You want to fight... not ever to discuss. Well, here it comes back at ya'll. ;)
We see Mr. Paine couldn't resist deflecting to another demonizing dig at the Black President. Did the Black guy plot an attack with the terrorist? What did they do together? Does he have any frickin' idea at all? HELL no.
Who needs facts? Guilt by association for the Black guy. That is the point, isn't it? But it's fine for Trump to hang out with mobsters and praise dictators, amirite? IOKIYAR!!
We are seeing far more lethal domestic terrorists in MAGA hats. Better deflect and attack the Black guy!
a deal that should never have been made in the first place and which Iran has been proven to never have intended abiding by in the very first place.
OPINION. ZERO facts cited. The hot air rises.
The intel that Benjamin Netanyahu recently provided clearly shows that Iran lied from the very beginning.
Oh, yeah? Sez who?
Mr. Paine has clearly shown us NOTHING! Crooked corrupt Bibi has been telling lies about Iranian bombs for decades.
And once again he accuses me of lies, with no evidence! Not a single quote! (That’s how Trump and his white nationalist hate cult operates, folks.)
”you and the rest of the hate-America-first crowd “ (This is the voice of far Right White Nationalism, folks.)
Seriously, they are the only ones fanatic enough to spew these hateful insults and goddamn FALSE ACCUSATIONS!
The commie card should be coming out any time. Mr. Paine is a very angry white conservative. He sees red an awful lot.
White Nationalists like TP and MM deflect, deny, and flee from discussion into accusations and distractions. They lack the facts and information to support their extreme far Right ideology, so they attack our patriotism. They say we oppose the Constitution. They are angry at us for not believing their far Right propaganda, half truths, innuendo, and dishonesty. All as they blindly support and defend a president with NO HONESTY, NO WISDOM, NO COMPASSION, and NO HUMAN DECENCY.
That doesn’t bother them. It’s all about their shared white nationalist hate for the “others”.
This may infuriate Mr. Paine, because he has no factual rebuttal to offer, only more accusations.
This is who they are, folks.
"If I understand correctly, if FDR incarcerated only non-citizen Japanese nationals it would not be racism. But it was racist to incarcerate the US citizens?"
Man are you off by a mile...it was racism to put into concentration camps American citizens solely because of their race... PERIOD!
Still, nice try though.
"Majormajor is convinced the OPINION of a disgruntled far Right Ronald M. MacMillan is the factual authority on what was in the mind of LBJ"..
Wow, how do you know MacMillan was a "far Right or disgruntled? Or are you reading his mind? He said he heard the words, simple enough for maybe even Mozart to understand.
"Majormajor is convinced the OPINION of a Dr. Steven J. Allen of Capital Research Center is the factual authority on what was said by LBJ."
Dr. Allen researched the first use the comments in question, and found as I quoted their first use in 1985 and it as written by a far leftist...not what was said, but who first said it and when. There is no report that LBJ said it..Nice effort explaining how Carter defeated Ford, why didn't it work against Reagan?
What Majormajor is convinced is that you are so stuck on the Democratic Plantation you will ignore anything that exposed the Democrat Party's pandering to minorities for their vote. As for the passage of the Civil Rights Bill in 1965, it took the votes of Republicans to get it into law. And before you start your cock and bull story about the southern Dems jumping to the GOP explain why if this happened the GOP didn't take control of the House until the 1980's? Must not have been a whole lot of jumping going on!
(BTW, this is the same answer to Tom's statement with and he has not published it. Censorship!)
"White Nationalists like TP and MM deflect"
Absolutely laughable and full of bull shit is what you are Dave, yes I said bull shit! First of all do you oppose the Nation of Islam, they are Black Nationalists? If you don't what does that make you?
"Deflect" Still waiting for your list of racist acts by President Trump, but you deflect from that with the claims and falsehoods and race card. Truth is you have no hand.
History is now "FALSE ACCUSATIONS". Got it Mr Authoritarianism, got it.
"NO HONESTY, NO WISDOM, NO COMPASSION, and NO HUMAN DECENCY" You talking about Obama or HRC?
"And J.G., your [sic] damn straight. I am done with the bull crap. You haven't even begun to see nasty ungentlemanly behavior yet." ~~ T. Paine
I'm scared. I'm really scared.
"Go celebrate. I know that is what you trolls want. You want to fight... not ever to discuss. Well, here it comes back at ya'll." ~~ T. Paine
I was trying to discuss, Mr. Paine, but all Chuck and you could do was try to distract the discussion about Trump's racism, toward Franklin Roosevelt's horrible decision to intern Japanese-Americans on the west coast.
I agreed with you that it was a terrible policy of the time, yet you repeatedly attempted to attribute Roosevelt's decision to racism on his part instead of taking into consideration the war conditions of the time.
I politely replied, each time I might add, that although Roosevelt's actions were deplorable, his intentions behind the actions were not based upon hate and racism of people of Asian decent.
You disagreed with this, although you could never produce references to back your claim his actions were racially motivated.
Mr. Paine, are you angry because you couldn't meet my challenge, or are you angry because I refuse to kowtow to your authoritarian demands?
If it's blazing guns you want, believe me, I'm up to the task. Otherwise, I think you owe your kind readers an apology. Don't you?
"Such ungentlemanly behavior"
Finally! Common ground! We did it everyone!
jG,
Your final chance to prove that President Trump is a racist...list the actions...or shut up.
Isn't it odd how the left finds it ok to call President Trump a racist with no evidence, but call it deflection when FDR's racist action is brought up?
LOL
LOL
Yes, apparently...
"Isn't it odd how the left finds it ok to call President Trump a racist with no evidence, but call it deflection when FDR's racist action is brought up?"
No. Because calling it deflection is accurate, as FDR literally has nothing to do with the conversation. The act of bringing FDR up is, LITERALLY, deflecting. Actual, literal, deflection of the topic to something unrelated in an effort to discredit the point being made without actually addressing the charges against your own point. It's textbook whataboutism.
See also: You're continued requesting of a list of things that prove's Trump's racism, despite that list already having been provided to you two blogposts previous to this one on April 20th by JG.
I have to believe you're being this obtuse on purpose. This level of trolling is not an accident. I'm sorry that T.Paine has fallen so hard for it.
I understand why TP is highly tolerant of MM’s deflection and dishonesty. He wants an ally. He wants to trust and believe him. Unfortunately that throws any chance of “common ground” out the window. There is no solid ground, let alone common ground, with lies. Sorry.
I applaud Mr. Paine for admitting racist tendencies in Trump. But his obsessive deflection to FDR and inability to cite examples of Trump’s racism undermine his admission, and reduce it all to “whataboutism”.
MM insists, ”There is no report that LBJ said it.”
Well, apart from the person who it was spoken to. But he’s not a Tea Party White Nationalist, so he must be condemned as a liar. This is who they are.
"White Nationalists like TP and MM deflect" Absolutely laughable and full of bull shit is what you are Dave, yes I said bull shit!
Touched a nerve, didn’t I? Who’s the snowflake who wants to deflect? Oh, that’s right. Accusing, blaming and attacking others IOKIYAR.
When angry white people accuse me of hating America and opposing the Constitution, when they lie like White Nationalists, accuse and blame like White Nationalists, and obsessively deflect to attach racism to a hated democrat over a half century ago, and NEVER bring up racist killings going on today, when the attack BLM, when they agree very fine people marched with Nazis, when they are angered by the Congressional Black Caucus meeting with NOI, and attack the Black President for being a racist, even after he denounced NOI’s racism, when they focus all blame on the Black President while praising the racist Birther that followed for banning Muslim refugees, Etc. ad nauseum....Yeah, if that doesn’t fit White Nationalism, then it doesn’t exist.
I suggest Majormajor follow his White Nationalist mentor Steve Bannon’s advice to, "Let them call you racist. Let them call you xenophobes. Let them call you nativists. Wear it as a badge of honor. Because every day, we get stronger and they get weaker.”
Inspiring, is it not? Makes me want to goose step, raise my right arm and “hail victory”.
I know I can be a smart ass at times. It is who I am. But seriously, I am saddened by the disinformation, anger and hate we see from the far Right. I am ashamed of such a large faction of Americans who have become fanatic enough to trust Trump over journalists, scientists, and educators. And I am horrified they not only trust Trump more, but actively share his hate for our free press and educational institutions and opposition to law enforcement professionals, and the rule of law. All from the “law and order president”.
They viciously attack anyone who calls out the lies and hate from the Party of Trump.
This is who they are folks.
And they HATE anyone who sees them the way they actually present themselves.
We’ll stop telling the truth about them when they stop lying about us.
But that won’t happen, for they will never see the truth in what I just said. They are unable to comprehend anything outside their bubble cult because they are indoctrinated to hate and loathe dissent from their ideology. Thus deflection, distraction, denial, dishonesty and distortion are their only tools.
There can be no common ground with deflection, distraction, denial, dishonesty and distortion.
I stand ready to share the common ground of reality and basic human decency. The Party of Trump and their enablers obviously want none of that. They want to rule. They want to attack our democracy, dismantle our institutions, subvert our rule of law to their will, and crush dissent and our free press.
And I shall resist that ignorance, tyranny, and hate until my dying breath.
"Dishonesty"
What a crock that is, coming from the man who can't believe LBJ did and didn't say things he has been lead to believe his entire time living on the Democrat Plantation! Even when he is given sources...he now searches for the high ground...good luck with that, acts hurt, laughable...
Last chance Dave before you are cast onto the trash heap of leftist lies, do you support the Nation of Islam and will you list President Trumps racist actions?
And still he persists.
Chuck's like a scavenging wolverine. Once he chomps down he doesn't let go. ;-)
It's the endless search for the truth, you should try it.
I try, but you keep changing the subject.
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