"Have we ever seen a nation so overjoyed at the prospect of killing their own children?"
I found this single-line thought posted at Collecting My Thoughts and nearly wept at the profundity it expressed.
The ignorance and callousness of people that should know better regarding such an evil is truly disheartening. How does a nation that considers itself to be Catholic reconcile the legalization of this barbaric atrocity known to them as "choice" with some of God's most solemn commandments to love one another and to not kill the innocent?
Surely our Lord must weep at this travesty. I guess in that regard, I am still in good company.
192 comments:
"How does a nation that considers itself to be Catholic reconcile the legalization of this barbaric atrocity known to them as "choice" with some of God's most solemn commandments to love one another and to not kill the innocent?"
A nation that recognizes the laws of their faith are not the same as the secular laws of the land. A nation that recognizes that people are not perfect beings that make perfect choices or have things happen to them. Since people in that nation live on Earth and not On High in the Kingdom of God, they have to address the needs that arise from imperfect beings with imperfect needs.
"Surely our Lord must weep at this travesty."
Why would Our Lord weep when His creations exercise the free will that He endowed us with? His creations are acting in a way he should expect them to, given free will. The only reaction to our choices I'd expect from Our Lord would be, if anything at all, bemusement.
I don't recall the Commandment that says, "Thou shalt nurture the embryo of your rapist, and bear gladly the child of your rapist".
Did our Lord weep at a war based on lies? A war that killed embryos and thousands of developed humans alike? A war that spawned ISIS and gave Iran an ally?
Does our Lord rejoice at tax cuts for the rich and gutting Children's Health Insurance Program?
Republican Jesus, yes. Children matter less than tax cuts to him.
I hope Mr. Paine enjoys his tax cut bonus, and pictures the poor child denied health care for his new rifle or other toy.
How's that for some old-fashioned Catholic guilt?
Mr. Paine,
It is a very sad time. The value of life is at it's lowest.
"How does a nation that considers itself to be Catholic..." ~~ T. Paine
This predominately Catholic nation decided to place democracy at the forefront of the human experience.
Isn't this the way it should be?
Mr. Paine,
The lesson to be learned is the murder of an unborn child is political choice not a moral choice.
No, MM.
It's a deeply personal choice. One the government should not be involved in. One of the cornerstones of Conservatism.
TB3
So you are a libertarian?
What's it matter what I am?
TB3
Where did you get the chip on your shoulder? I never said it was bad or good, I just asked if you were, geez, who put the burr under your saddle?
Just forget it, you are not worth my time to explain or answer.
MM,
There is no chip on my shoulder. No burr under my saddle. I ws engaging in conversation and you asked a question that was neither here nor there. I do not understand why you were asking what you were asking. So I asked.
You spend plenty of your time rummaging through blogs and opinion pieces and C&Ping them here without any context. You spend plenty of your ample free time doing that, but you do not think it is worth your time to have a conversation? Noted. That's your perogative.
They are not forcing abortions. It's a matter of freedom and letting each person decide for themselves what is moral for them. I see both sides of the political divide as wanting to limit someone else's freedom and thinking they don't know enough to make the decision for themselves. The frank truth is abortions continue to happen when it's illegal-- it's just more dangerous. If you think it's wrong for you, then it's wrong. But not everybody is religious and even in our country where the majority call themselves Christian, what that means isn't the same.
TB3
Real rocket science here "do not understand why you were asking what you were asking", DUH because I wanted to know. It's called a conversation.
And I asked what it mattered. As I've mentioned in previous threads, I do not like labels. They limit me and allows people to think that they can conveniently define what I believe. That said; Ireland made the correct move in expanding and ensuring the personal freedoms of its people. I imagine good conservatives everywhere shouldn't be weeping over this.
"I do not like labels."
How do you feel about Dave labeling me Nazi?
"How do you feel about Dave labeling me Nazi?" ~~ Majormajor (Ridiculous Chuck)
Please indicate, with date- and time-stamp, where Dave Dubya "labeled" you a Nazi. I think you're making it up.
Jg,
YOU look at the posts made by Dave in the last thread.
Merle Hoffman. Ever heard of her?
"YOU look at the posts made by Dave in the last thread." ~~ Majormajor (Lying Chuck)
I did. You didn't.
Comprehension problems?
"So now that we have Majormajor confirming he is a Nazi sympathizer
By saying nothing.. Which means since Dave W has said nothing about the Nation of ISLAM he is a racist sympathizer.
"'Very fine people on both sides' is the correct and complete quote, not the LIE posted earlier." ~~ quoted by Majormajor at 7:49 PM, on May 29th.
and...
"By saying nothing.. Which means since Dave W has said nothing about..." ~~ Majormajor
Donald Trump's remarks look like your president was supportive of the KKK and neo-Nazi groups in Charlottesville last August, and you have already indicated your unwavering support of Donald Trump.
Therefore, you are supportive of his remarks "very fine people...", also.
So, you tell me...what does that make you?
"They are not forcing abortions. It's a matter of freedom and letting each person decide for themselves what is moral for them." ~~ Rain Trueax
Unfortunately, Rain, our host doesn't want democratic ideals to trump theocratic and authoritarian dogma. Likewise, neither does his loyal lapdog.
You better be careful. You'll be labeled as favoring relativism over absolutism. ;-)
Jg..
The real question is what does your support of Dave W make you?
JG,
Therefore, you are supportive of his remarks "very fine people...", also. So, you tell me...what does that make you?
I know, I know! It makes MM a "very fine person", of course, sympathizing with those who marched with Nazis.
Still no answer why negotiating with North Korea is OK for the racist White Guy and NOT OK for the Black Guy.
Seems like a sentiment shared by "very fine people".
Want to hear more crickets? MM was outraged over Trump's mythical "spygate". Now what does he say?
Oh, oh! Accidental Truth on FOX(R):
Shep Smith:
"Trump claimed Feds spied on his campaign ... calls it Spygate. Fox News can confirm it is not. Fox News knows of no evidence to support the president's claim."
"Racism is not funny and Roseanne Barr is a racist. Now her show is cancelled."
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Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.), the chairman of the House Oversight Committee, said on Fox News, “I am even more convinced that the FBI did exactly what my fellow citizens would want them to do when they got the information they got, and that it has nothing to do with Donald Trump.”
“President Trump himself in the [former FBI Director James] Comey memos said, ‘If anyone connected with my campaign was working with Russia, I want you to investigate it,’” Gowdy said Tuesday on Fox News. “Sounds to me like that was exactly what the FBI did.”
=
On Tuesday night’s “The Story With Martha MacCallum,” Judge Andrew Napolitano was asked to weigh in on Trump’s false claim that the FBI was “spying” on his campaign at the direction of the Obama administration.
“The allegations by Mayor Giuliani over the weekend, which would lead to us to believe that the Trump people think that the FBI had an undercover agent who inveigled his way into the campaign, and was there as a spy on the campaign, seem to be baseless,” Napolitano said. “There’s no evidence for that whatsoever.”
Napolitano added that the FBI’s alleged use of an informant “talking to people on the periphery of the campaign, that is standard operating procedure in intelligence gathering, and in criminal investigations.”
Jg,
What does your support of Dave W who refuses to attack the largest racist organization in America, The Nation Of Islam, make you?
Come on, JG! Answer his question! He clearly needs an answer to apease his desire to feel better about his own choices through whataboutism. It doesn't matter who he supports, right? So long as he can get you to admit to supporting someone who doesn't support the racism of a religious/political group that hasn't been relevant to current political discourse in years! Or something. Jeez, it reminds me of the Obama years and the constant, irrelevant references to Bill Ayers. Such strange arguments about such unimportant things.
We do know MM supports the very fine people marching with Nazis. It makes him FEEEEEEEL better to falsely believe I, or anyone he hates, supports Nation of Islam.
"Very fine people" are defined by their hate, after all.
Crickets on "spygate".
I wonder why? Doesn't MM support the president??
I hope we won't have to report his disloyalty.
TB3
Thanks for your help and support in getting a straight answer from Jg or Dave W. I've been asking that question a long time before they started their latest crusade to try and tie me to Nazism, with no answer. So you see TB, it's they who are playing "whataboutism'.
Thank you for the context.
"What does your support of Dave W who refuses to attack the largest racist organization in America, The Nation Of Islam, make you?" ~~ Majormajor (aka totally-over-the-top Chuck)
I don't know, Chuck. Since Dave never claimed loyalty toward, or support of, the Nation of Islam, I'm pretty sure it doesn't make me anything. Well, except a sympathizer of speakers of truth and justice.
Of course, your stupid-ass question certainly has your rationality highly suspect. There's no other polite way to phrase it.
and...
"Come on, JG! Answer his question!" ~~ TB3
Okay. See above.
"I hope we won't have to report his disloyalty." ~~ Dave Dubya
Too late. Already reported him to both the KKK and the Neo-Nazis of America. They will be knocking on his door. ;-)
Still the crickets chirp....
Very fine people marched with BLM, not with the Nazis.
Those who say very fine people marched with Nazis also hate BLM, and called them a racist hate group. They call Black athletes protesting racist killer cops "sons of bitches".
Just the facts.
What does that say?
I report, you decide.
TB3
For the record, I've never supported or agreed with the Nazis. What Dave and Jg are doing is playing their favorite game of saying if you don't criticize someone they say is a Nazi, of racist (which Goggle now says is “California Republicans” or “California Republican Party” when you search per USA) you are a Nazi. or a racist
But using Jg's line of "reasoning" since I've never never claimed loyalty toward, or support of ______ fill in the blank, I have no reason to say anything, as Dave W. What happen next has happened in the past when Jg and Dave W don't or can't answer a question, my question is discredited IE: stupid-ass question.
I've told you already my experience in answering their questions in the past. If you read the dialogs between them and Mr. Paine, you will see the same pattern there, a pattern that Jg likes to call "speakers of truth and justice". A lie of the largest dimensions is hard to imagine.
What you will see next is charges of racism from Dave W. Out of anger or frustration cause thst's all he's got, I don't know or really care.. It so old, boring and predictable.
MM,
To be fair, saying this:
""Very fine people on both sides" is the correct and complete quote, not the LIE posted earlier."
Doesn't really add to your defense against their charges. The whole Black Nationalism and Nation of Islam thing you keep going on and on about doesn't help stop their charges, either.
I feel like people need to come to the understanding that politics shouldn't be regarded as some team sport where you're a fan and you blindly follow your team regardless of what they do. If the President says or does something stupid/racist/wrong, even if they are a member of your preferred party, it doesn't detract from your own personal political views when you or someone else calls out that behavior.
It's ok to say No, there were very fine people counter-protesting Nazis and white-supremecists. Such a weird hill to stake your flag to and die on defending "very fine people" on the Nazi side. Especially given the context that one of the stated goals of Nathan Damigo was to use the event to unite the white supremecist factions.
Bet the Black Messiah will get credit for this even though he's been out of office for almost 18 months.
The unemployment rate for black workers hit new record lows in May, the Labor Department's Bureau of Labor Statistics reported Friday.
Black unemployment fell sharply to 5.9 percent, beating out the 6.6 percent record low that was set a month earlier.
The unemployment rate for Hispanic workers hit a record low in April, at 4.8 percent, but it rose slightly to 4.9 percent in May.
The total unemployment rate for white workers dropped from 3.6 percent to 3.5 percent.
Note: "It's ok to say No" unless you are on the lefty's team and then ignore the NOI (America's largest racist group) and the long list of Black Racist organizations that the Southern Poverty Law Center provided. It works both ways.
"It works both ways"
That's Whataboutism. That's fingerpointing. And that's no defense to the charges leveled in your direction. When the argument revolves around the recent upsurge in White-supremecy and the increase in recorded hate crimes, you do not make a credible defense by decrying the Nation of Islam or BLM.
As they have little to nothing to do with the increase in white-supremecy.
Furthermore, referring to our last President as "The Black Messiah" isn't helping your argument either.
On a side note; I find it amusing that it's suddenly okay to accept the the U-4 Unemployment Rate nmbers now that it's convenient. I am overjoyed the Unemployment rate for Blacks and Hispanics have been on a downward trend since 2010 and that they are at their lowest levels now.
Black unemployment went from 16% down to 8% under the Black Guy.
A drop of EIGHT points, but no credit to the "Black Messiah" from MM. I wonder why?
All glory to the White Racist for inheriting a good economy and a TWO point drop in 18 months, the SAME percentage drop for Obama's last 18 months.
All praise to the Birther! None for the Black guy! I wonder why?
Yeah, we got it. His message is quite clear.
Now if only MM could explain why meeting with Kim is OK for the White Nationalist, but was NOT OK for the Black guy.
Crickets....
No racist will give Obama ANY credit for anything. Only accusations, blame and hate.
He might call him the "Black Messiah" though. ;-)
Thanks for proving yourself a liar, which everyone knew anyways.
NYT: "We Ran Out Of Words To Describe How Good The Jobs Numbers Are"
Plus the average wage increased over 2% from same time last year.
Just how racist is Trump to allow minority unemployment to drop so low, LOL!!
"Just how racist is Trump to allow minority unemployment to drop so low, LOL!!"
You are being incredibly disingenuious, your race-baiting, or you have a fundamental misunderstanding of either what unemployment is or the powers the President of United States.
OH LOL, Now I'm being incredibly disingenuous??
Does that apply to Dave's claim that the latest numbers are all due to Obama?
Explain "fundamental misunderstanding of either what unemployment is or the powers the President of United States", enlighten me. Keep in mind that what you say will also apply to Obama.
Do you remember the predictions of an economic meltdown if Trump became President made by the wise liberals? Did they also have a "fundamental misunderstanding"?
I have never seen people who hated good news for Americans as much as I've seen from liberals and leftist since Trump became President. I'm not race baiting, I'm liberal&leftist baiting. For they are the ones who here and on their own blogs have said Conservatives, the GOP, whites(who are Nazi racists)and President Trump hate the poor and minorities, over and over again. I'm just following their leadership, and logic that Conservatives, GOP and President hate minorities and the poor and would never do anything to help them. Yet the numbers, the facts, the reality shows their claims to be lies.
The irony is as more minorities find work and as their wages grow as they have in the last 12 months there will be less demand for the programs that the left has put into place. Notice I said less demand, not done away with. (Of course less demand means a need for less tax dollars and as we have seen in the past, any funding cuts will be called heartless, greedy, etc. by liberals&leftist regardless of the level of demand for the programs.)
New York Attorney General: Let’s Prosecute People Twice For The Same Crime
Never mind what the Constitution says. Liberals and leftist know what's best.
"Lawmakers must act now to close New York’s double jeopardy loophole."
New York Attorney General (@NewYorkStateAG) May 31, 2018
"The “double-jeopardy loophole” is actually just called “double jeopardy” – you can’t be prosecuted twice for the same crime. And if you’re pardoned for a crime, you can’t be tried or jailed again for the same crime. The entire purpose of the Constitutional provision barring double jeopardy is to prevent the political prosecution of people for crimes for which they have already been acquitted. And the NY Attorney General is now explicitly calling for jailing people they don’t like politically."
Ben Shapiro
"Does that apply to Dave's claim that the latest numbers are all due to Obama?"
Dave did not make this claim.
"Explain "fundamental misunderstanding of either what unemployment is or the powers the President of United States", enlighten me. Keep in mind that what you say will also apply to Obama."
I think what I said is pretty straight forward, MM. What do you not understand about what I said?
"Do you remember the predictions of an economic meltdown if Trump became President made by the wise liberals? Did they also have a "fundamental misunderstanding"?"
No, I do not. Do you mind sharing a source with me and I will educate myself?
"I have never seen people who hated good news for Americans as much as I've seen from liberals and leftist since Trump became President."
Who hates good news? I, for one, literally typed:
"I am overjoyed the Unemployment rate for Blacks and Hispanics have been on a downward trend since 2010 and that they are at their lowest levels now." @ Timestamp June 1, 2018 at 9:21 AM
" I'm not race baiting, I'm liberal&leftist baiting"
And now you're openly admitting that you're not trying to have a conversation, you're trying to start an argument or confrontation. Thank you for the honesty.
"For they are the ones who here and on their own blogs have said Conservatives, the GOP, whites(who are Nazi racists)and President Trump hate the poor and minorities, over and over again. I'm just following their leadership, and logic that Conservatives, GOP and President hate minorities and the poor and would never do anything to help them. Yet the numbers, the facts, the reality shows their claims to be lies."
I can't even unpack this. Are you literally saying that "Liberals"/"Leftists" make you act like this? You have no control over your responses? Liberals/Leftests make you bait and troll? A charmed existance.
"The irony is as more minorities find work and as their wages grow as they have in the last 12 months there will be less demand for the programs that the left has put into place."
Yes. I believe that is how these programs are meant to function as well. Well, scratch that. I'd change the word 'minorities' to 'people'.
" (Of course less demand means a need for less tax dollars and as we have seen in the past, any funding cuts will be called heartless, greedy, etc. by liberals&leftist regardless of the level of demand for the programs.)"
I think cuts are decried because they are made not using demand for the programs as a rubric. If cuts to a program stops a person who had been using it from using it anymore, than we're not talking about cuts based off lack of usage or need.
"Never mind what the Constitution says. Liberals and leftist know what's best." -- MM
What does the Constitution say about what you posted about, MM?
TB3 stated: ” I am overjoyed the Unemployment rate for Blacks and Hispanics have been on a downward trend since 2010 and that they are at their lowest levels now.
What Majormajor’s sees through his rabid ideological lens: “I have never seen people who hated good news for Americans as much as I've seen from liberals”
Goebbels would’ve loved this tactic. Dishonest Cons also really need to invent their own realities to attack Liberals.
I have to note the one honest truth Majormajor allowed to slip through his deflection, deception and distractions: “I'm liberal&leftist baiting.”
In other words, a troll. LOL! This is what we love about him.
We can add that to the Nazi sympathizer he admitted to being by his loyalty to his “very fine people”.
Does anybody still wonder why it’s OK for the White Nationalist president to talk to Kim, but not the Black president?
And why is MM keeping “spygate” such a secret now? He was so excited about it earlier.
National Enquiring minds want to know.
Also, I'd like to add a special thanks to Mr. Paine for hosting this delightfully entertaining and elucidating forum.
This is where we see the heart and soul of angry white conservatism.
We are treated to endless cases of white conservative victimization, whataboutism, glory and praise for Trump, and the ever-present deflection, distortion, deceptions, and dishonesty.
Not to mention the numerous references to Blacks and the Nation of Islam, for reasons only Majormajor knows.
Alas, ours is not to reason why.(But we have a pretty good idea.)
Ok. Got it. You're not actually reading what I'm writing in response to you. This thread of comments feels like someone having a conversation with one of those A.I. Chat Assistants with preprogrammed responses.
It must be a scary world for you, MM, where you must doggedly make believe the things you make believe.
TB3,
Yes, MM is full of “preprogrammed responses”, just like an authoritarian propagandist or a cult.
I wonder if there are any more similarities? ;-)
TB3, you could have looked this up.
"The Double Jeopardy clause in the Fifth Amendment to the U. S. Constitution provides that "No person shall ... be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb."
Now may I ask Dave W about his allegiance to the NOI or would that be "whataboutism" since he keeps smearing me with false claims of my being a Nazi supporter?
"TB3, you could have looked this up."
I know what the Fifth Amendment is. The situation is an interesting case and not as cut as dry as that. Mr. Shapiro, having gone to law school, should know the differences between Federal and State Crimes. He should also be fully aware of what the actual issue is.
I read this last month, I hope you'll actually read it too: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/04/schneiderman-double-jeopardy/558389/
"Now may I ask Dave W about his allegiance to the NOI or would that be "whataboutism" since he keeps smearing me with false claims of my being a Nazi supporter?"
You can do whatever you want and say whatever you want, which is essentially your M.O. I expect your next post to be some cut and pasted non sequitor.
I'd point out to you, though, I do not recall ever seeing Dave saying he has an allegiance to the Nation of Islam. In an effort to deny his claims of you being a Nazi sympathizer, though, you attack him over this Nation of Islam non-sense. In his own defense he has already denounced the racism of the Nation of Islam... yet I do not recall a similar denunciation from you in regards to his claims.
IOKIYAR: Part 16,485,298.
Remember when they howled about Obama "Choosing winners and losers" with renewable energy incentives? Grrr. That made them FURIOUS!
Turns out what wasn't good for the Black Guy happens to be good for the White Nationalist.
Trump has ordered Energy Secretary Rick Perry to plot what's being called an "unprecedented intervention" by the federal government to bail out financially strapped coal and nuclear power plants that can't compete with the renewable energy sector.
I wonder if there are any enlightened conservatives around to explain this for us.
Anyone?
Anyone at all?
Hellooooo?
Crickets again.
Sour Pelosi poo-poos booming economy: ‘Strong employment numbers mean little’
Sour grapes.
I have never seen people who hated good news for Americans as much as I've seen from liberals and leftist since Trump became President.
She's not poo pooing the booming economy.
"The #JobsReport shows that strong employment numbers mean little to the families hit with soaring new costs under the Republicans' watch."
https://twitter.com/NancyPelosi/status/1002549855242326016
Which is the first sentence of her press release:
https://www.democraticleader.gov/newsroom/6118/
Context! Context! Context!
Why do you live your life with blinders on willfully?
Are those Americans benefiting from the Trump economy Nazis and racists?
The US economy suddenly looks like it's unstoppable
Friday's economic data provided evidence the U.S. economy is heading into the second half of 2018 with strong momentum.
Nonfarm payrolls beat expectations while manufacturing and construction indexes both showed accelerated growth.
Economists are slowly ratcheting up expectations for growth through the end of the year, with widely followed measures putting the second quarter at between 3.6 percent and 4.8 percent.
Jeff Cox
“May’s jobs report shows that strong employment numbers mean little to the families hit with soaring new costs under the Republicans’ watch,” the House Minority Leader said in a statement.
Republicans’ cruel, cynical health care sabotage campaign is already spiking families’ premiums by double digits and pushing millions off their coverage, according to the nonpartisan CBO. Big Pharma continues to hoard the benefits of the GOP tax scam, using their handouts to further enrich executives and shareholders instead of lowering prescription drug costs for seniors and sick kids. At the same time, the President’s reckless policies are exploding gas prices, wiping out the few meager gains that some families should have received from the GOP tax scam, as wages remain stagnant." (LIE!!)
She forgot that wages have gone up over 2% since last year at this time.
Never seen people so unhappy for good news about America
Joy Reid Apologizes for Blog Posts, Appears to Drop Hacking Claim: ‘There Are Things I Deeply Regret’
But like Sam Bee she hasn't lost her job like Roseann.
MORE WINNING
On Thursday, Costco announced it would raise the hourly wage for 130,000 of its American employees. CEO Richard Galanti, while discussing the company’s fiscal third-quarter earnings, said that starting wages for employees would be raised $1 an hour to $14.50 an hour while other hourly wages would be hiked 25 to 50 cents an hour.
Galanti added that the new wage increases would be probably be added to the company’s regular wage hikes. He acknowledged that the tax cuts would garner Costco an added $300 million each year.
The impetus for the wage hike was the windfall Costco received from the GOP tax cut; the company made $32.36 billion in sales and membership revenue in the twelve weeks ending May 13. That represented a 12.1% increase over the same period last year. Costco has enjoyed four straight quarters of double-digit sales growth.
Costco follows Target and Walmart, which earlier this year announced wage increases and new bonuses.
Different companies. Different situations. MM you really have to get past the fact that everything isn't black and white, cut and dry.
I feel bad for Roseanne. She says bad things and gets fired. Trump says bad things on a Bus and becomes President. It ain't fair that to similar SC have two different results for people.
And Some Losing:
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/44414-take-the-money-and-run-trump-tax-cuts-boost-earnings-of-alec-corporations-which-promptly-layoff-workers#15279097285481&action=collapse_widget&id=0&data=
Too bad there are always two sides to the story.
"Joy Reid Apologizes for Blog Posts, Appears to Drop Hacking Claim: ‘There Are Things I Deeply Regret’" ~~ Majormajor (aka Ridiculous Chuck)
Her only mistake was using the hacking claim as cover. She should have stuck to her guns.
Something worthy of firing? Hardly. She wasn't being racist.
"But like Sam Bee she hasn't lost her job like Roseann." ~~ Majormajor (aka Ridiculous Chuck)
Like Joy Reid's, Samantha Bee's comments were not racist. Offensive to some, yes, but not racist. Big difference.
Donald Trump's going to lose his job for his racism. Certainly not quickly enough for some -- me included, but whether by impeachment conviction (for treasonous activity yet to be revealed) or election in 2020, he'll lose his job one way or another.
America doesn't tolerate racist presidents.
"Why do you live your life with blinders on willfully?" ~~ TB3, addressed to Majormajor (aka Ridiculous Chuck)
That's easy! He's a low-information and ignorant Trumpist who believes everything and anything Trump says or Tweets, without any question and without any reservation.
Chuck's a loyal member of the "Alt-Reich", which despite his denial of neo-Nazi affiliation or connection, still bestows his sympathies toward their causes and movement.
That's, for all intents and purposes, anyone who still supports the racist demogague currently occupying the White House.
It really must grind the leftist and liberals that even the NYT is at a loss for words over the way President Trump is MAGA, despite the obstruction minority party's efforts.
I'm not tired of winning, but I bet the left and their allies the liberals are. LOL
Reading your posts is like reading madlibs. Except, not funny haha, but funny sad.
Chuck, it must be so cozy in your little Conservative cocoon where reality can never penetrate. The last thing Trump is doing is MAGA, he is working toward destroying our financial system though.
Not only is he pissing off the Brick countries, Europe and Canada are getting sick and tired of Trump's trade wars and sanctions. Pulling out of important agreements all over the world is not making MAGA either.
Because of our extremely high debt, maintaining the Reserve Currency is absolutely critical to the survival of the US. Read something rational for a change:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/49452.htm
More leftist "humor".
Newly revealed blog posts from MSNBC host Joy Reid show that she once promoted a disgusting attack on Laura Ingraham and Ann Coulter.
In a vicious post going after Ann Coulter titled, “Dear Mr. Coulter,” she ended the post by saying “And finally, here’s one hell of an idea.”
The “one hell of an idea” line is hyperlinked to another post from the blog “Brilliant at Breakfast” titled, “Can we send Laura Ingraham and Ann Coulter to Iraq, put them in a public square and just leave them there?”
It’s not clear what exactly this blogger meant — it may have been a joke about the two women getting abused by Muslim men, a remark that could be seen as Islamophobic. It could have also been a joke about the two women living in a society that would oppress them. Whatever the implication is, it certainly wasn’t good for the two women mentioned in the post’s title.
Apart from that joke, Reid savaged Coulter in other ways. She said that Coulter had a “little Brownshirt heart,” calling her “Mr. Coulter.”
She also said about Coulter: “No one actually loves you — and particularly, no one loves you enough to actually breed with you (provided they could figure out whether you would, in fact, be supplying the sperm, or the egg…)”
Reid also that “no sane man or woman would touch without a full course of penicillin and a hermetic body glove” would want to touch her.
How funny can you be.
Just as I have had said he would Dave W plays the race card, it's all he's got.
"destroying our financial system"
"our extremely high debt"
I want to thank the Black Guy for both of the above as well as all those "shovel ready jobs" (LOL) and his financial experts who told us Fanny Mae was in fine shape, that Trumps' tax cuts would only help the wealthy, that the GOVT while taking in record levels of revenue couldn't afford a tax cut. Yes I want to thank them for taking positions that have been shown to be totally wrong..
And of course by saying this I will be called a Nazi sympathizer and a racist.
If the great unemployment and wage numbers are the result of Obama’s hard work according to leftist and liberals, then WHY does Pelosi call them no big deal? Is she a closet racist?
”Just as I have had said he would Dave W plays the race card, it's all he's got.”
The “victim card” again.
Where’s the race card? It’s in the hands of the person hating the Black guy, ignoring his achievements, and giving all credit to Trump. David Duke would agree, would he not?
Still NO credit for the Black Guy lowering Black unemployment by EIGHT points! I wonder why?
Majormajor has a fellow true believer expressing the same sentiments:
“Thank you President Trump for your honesty & courage to tell the truth about #Charlottesville & condemn the leftist terrorists in BLM/Antifa...GOD BLESS DONALD TRUMP! It's time to do the right thing, it's time to TAKE AMERICA BACK!!!”
Yes, this is David Duke. Rejoicing in “taking America back” with Trump and Majormajor. What could go wrong?
Trump, David Duke and Majormajor are the voices of the new alt-Reich American Con-servatism.
They all sound the same, don’t they? Just don’t call them racists, amirite?
LOL the race card as I predicted cause it's all liberals and lefties have got..
Dave W continues in his futile attempt to attack me with his lies but won't respond to the racism of Nancy Pelosi, the success of President Trump's policy's, and the failures of the Democrat Party.
Here's how bad it has gotten for the Democrats and their allies. Google was set to rent out its D.C. headquarters to a progressive group (Run for Something) holding a fundraiser for top Senate Democrats, but canceled it Friday just days before.
The group “Run For Something” cultivates up-and-coming Democrats for all levels of government. Its event, “Party For Something,” was supposed to occur June 6 at a location only disclosed if tickets ($100 to $1,000) were purchased.
Send us your money and we'll tell you where the party is later, just like we have to pass the bill to know what's in it. LOL
Can you imagine how bad things are for them when the best they can come up with is to name a group "Run for Something"? Run for anything cause we are flat out of ideas on how to MAGA except to promise to increase your taxes and Trump is a bad guy who is beating us at every turn. A party called a "Party For Something" like a party for what? Who knows but it's for something. "Up and coming" running for something, we don't know what that is is but it's something, jeeze, "so sad".
As usual you did not read the article so you will stay uninformed and clueless about what is going on but what the hell, ignorance is bliss!!
Woodmeman,
Can you direct me to some sensitivity training, I feel so unsafe.
You are unsafe but there is no cure for laziness so there you go.
I don’t expect Majormajor to read this. Unless he does, he may never know if I mention his mother in this topic. Could go either way, right?
”Dave W continues in his futile attempt to attack me with his lies but won't respond to the racism of Nancy Pelosi.”
LOL! Did Majormajor just substitute Nancy Pelosi for Nation of Islam?
Has anyone seen where Majormajor “respond to the racism of Nancy Pelosi”? Has anyone even seen “the racism of Nancy Pelosi”?
No. Of course only cons have the authority to define words or make up stuff any time they want. It is the way of authoritarian personalites.
He’s deflecting to Pelosi to distract from HIS utter lack of response to racism.
All we get is crickets... and deflection..
The same way he responded to my simple question about why it’s OK for the Angry White president to talk to Kim, but was NOT OK for the Black president.
Majormajor’s been too busy echoing the words of David Duke’s effusive praising of Trump.
Come to think of it, even playing GOLF was not OK for the Black president, but OK for Trump.
I wonder why? This is why:
IOKIYAR. It’s OK If You Are Republican.
That’s it. Their ONLY rule, when you see how universally it is applied.
In the case of the Black president, we may find a deep steak of pure racism and hate mixed with that IOKIYAR.
I don’t know about Pelosi, but...
Majormajor continues in his futile attempt to attack me with his lies but won't respond to the racism of Trump.
Majormajor continues in his futile attempt to attack me with his lies but won't respond to the racism of Roseanne.
Majormajor continues in his futile attempt to attack me with his lies but won't respond to the racism of “very fine people” marching with Nazis.
This has been his pattern all along.
I wonder why?
They all sound the same, don’t they? Just don’t call them racists, amirite?
More drivel from Dave W, he has no hand, he has nothing but lies and false accusations and then of course there is racism Everybody is a racist, they are every where, under his bed, in his bed room closet, next door, worse than Freddy Kruger, they can't be stomped out. Now it's David Duke, what a simpleton. He needs Jg to help carry his water, can only debate when it's at least two Libs vs. one conservative.
YAD YAD YAD YAD
P.S. MY response to racism, IT'S BAD!
"So sad" wants my response to his questions but ignores mine, so typically self centered of him. So forgetful of my many answers to his charges, so why bother responding to him again and again, he'll forget, he's lost his mind. Dementia?
"So sad".
My mother is dead you ass hole, as I've told you before, I'm an orphan. Dementia.
”MY response to racism, IT'S BAD!”
Like with Nancy Pelosi, amirite?
Poor MM. An orphan with dementia. That explains everything. Well, at least it shows he read the first two sentences of my previous comment. That was far as he got, I imagine. After that he was blinded with rage. Or MORE blinded with rage, I should say.
I wonder what he imagines I said about his mother? Was I mean and called her a racist? Can he show a “complete and accurate quote” of what I said about her?
I know nothing about the poor woman, apart from the fact her son has some serious anger issues and cognitive dissonance associated with White Nationalism. I feel sad for her, if nothing else. It wasn't her fault her son is a bigot, loyal to a pussy-grabbing racist liar.
No wonder he sees no racism in Trump and very fine people marching with Nazis, but only in Nancy Pelosi and those Black “sons of bitches” taking a knee, amirite?
At least Nancy Pelosi was fortunate enough not to have raised such a handicapped child.
Now we got the picture. Sad.
Two liberals vs one "conservative"
"Isn't it funny that all the left and their allies the liberals have left is the race card?" ~~ Majormajor (aka racist Chuck?)
I suppose it's funny if you're a racist. Otherwise, it's not funny at all. Is it really funny to you, Chuck? Really?
"It is amazing how if you support America becoming great again you are a loyal member of the 'Alt-Reich', and a 'supporter of neo-Nazis'." ~~ Majormajor (aka neo-Nazi Chuck?)
No, if you're still a Trumpist, which you are, and you still support him, and you still sympathize with him to "make America grate again", then there's a very high probability you're a racist and a neo-Nazi.
There can be no other rational way to explain it.
"You mean it's not collusion with Russia?" ~~ Majormajor (aka denying Chuck)
Nobody will know for sure until Mr. Mueller finishes his investigation, which I'm hoping you favor since I can only guess that down deep, you believe in the rule of law (i.e. the Constitution of the United States of America).
With already five admissions of guilt from Trump cronies and associates, and already 17 indictments, it seems as though Mr. Mueller is getting closer to the truth. Wouldn't you say?
Chuck, do you believe in, over everything else within our political embodiment, the rule of law?
I sure hope so.
"Waiting to hear from your physic [sic] friends? ~~ Majormajor (aka sarcastic Chuck)
Unless Mr. Mueller or any other members of his investigative team are psychic, not really.
Maybe Donald Trump is psychic, Chuck, and that's why he's freaking out. Maybe he already feels the hangman's noose tightening around his neck? Treason is still a capital offense, Chuck. It's really serious stuff.
"Hedging your bets much?" ~~ Majormajor (aka gambler Chuck)
Nope, not at all. But I think you are. ;-)
I feel sorry for you Chuck, I never bring up race based articles and you have to ignore my comments because you cannot handle the truth. Always afraid and running from the truth, I guess that is practically a definition of a Conservative!
I don’t know about Pelosi, but...
Majormajor continues in his futile attempt to attack me with his lies but won't respond to the racism of Trump.
Majormajor continues in his futile attempt to attack me with his lies but won't respond to the racism of Roseanne.
Majormajor continues in his futile attempt to attack me with his lies but won't respond to the racism of “very fine people” marching with Nazis.
And “Pardon Me” , please. I forgot to add this timely case:
Majormajor continues in his futile attempt to attack me with his lies but won't respond to the racism of Dinesh D’Souza
"Dis Sho Ain't No Jive, Bro"..."Was slavery a racist institution? No."
This has been his pattern all along.
They all get a pass from Majormajor. But not Nancy.
I wonder why?
Ah yes, Jg is back to help his little buddy Dave W out..as predicted.
"So Sad", looks like he also suffers from Dementia since he continues to lie about me. Or maybe that's all he's got IE: lies, to offer anyone? Sure seems so since he and Dave can't debate the success of President Trump, they have to smear those who appreciate his success. In the final analyst, it really is all they have, smearing, name calling ( Nazi, racist, etc) cause their beloved liberal programs are being shown to be failures with each day.
Or could it be that's the way Commies and their supporters operate? When will the Drivel Duo deny their support for Communism?
In case you forgot in your continued hast to lie:
The unemployment rate for black workers hit new record lows in May, the Labor Department’s Bureau of Labor Statistics reported Friday.
Black unemployment fell sharply to 5.9 percent, beating out the 6.6 percent record low that was set a month earlier.
The unemployment rate for Hispanic workers hit a record low in April, at 4.8 percent, but it rose slightly to 4.9 percent in May.[…]
The total unemployment rate for all workers fell to 3.8 percent, from 3.9 percent in April.
Nancy Pelosi and Democrats, liberals and leftist hit the hardest.
Majormajor needed to play both his famous far Right “Victim Card” and “Commie Card” this time.
The total unemployment rate for all workers fell to 3.8 percent, from 3.9 percent in April.
From the source Trump called “fake”.
Let’s add the “Hypocrisy Card” to his lame hand.
All favorite cards in the hands of White Nationalists.
I wonder why?
"My mother is dead you ass hole, as I've told you before, I'm an orphan." ~~ Majormajor (aka Norman Bates Chuck)
So your mother left you an orphan, Chuck? Maybe if abortion were legal in those days, you could have been spared such a vile life of hatefulness and derision, and your soul could have been reincarnated into a happy child of loving and supportive parents.
Maybe next time, Chuck...
What have we here?
Former President Bill Clinton said Sunday he believed that President Barack Obama received friendlier media coverage than did other chief executives in part because of his race.
Asked about the stark contrast in press coverage between Mr. Obama and President Trump, Mr. Clinton agreed that there was a different standard.
“They did treat him [Obama] differently than other Democrats and Republicans,” Mr. Clinton said in an interview on “CBS This Morning.” “It was the political press.”
And all this time we thought it as Russia.
June 1, 2018 2:50 AM
A community organizes against his library plans.
Chicago
In Barack Obama’s adopted hometown, of all places, his $375 million Obama Presidential Center is running into growing headwinds from a few gutsy souls.
Ironically, the winds aren’t gusting from the usual direction—Republicans and others the left often labels racist Obama-haters. Rather, it’s blowing from the very people who have long lionized Obama: white Chicago lakefront progressives, University of Chicago professors, environmentalists, African-American activists, and a community organization of the kind that once employed Obama as an organizer.
At the count of three 1..2..3.. RACISM!!!
Well Dave what's good for the goose is good for the gander, prove you are not a commie sympathizer?
Jg, prove your not a child molester.
Wow. Really dragging down the discourse.
Trump said: If you like your job you can keep your job.
Obama said: If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor.
"Really dragging down the discourse."
You wouldn't be referring to Dave W and Jg and their continued lies would you?
After all it is they label others as Nazi supporters, racists and bring mothers into the conversation.
Or are you so biased for liberals/leftist that only you believe only Conservatives could bring down the discourse? That's not "whataboutism" but hypocrisy of the left, don't you agree?
They bring up things you claim to be lies, but you deflect, distract and point in opposite directions rather than deal with their assertions. It is frustrating that they bring up points and you randomly respond with:
Trump said: If you like your job you can keep your job.
Obama said: If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor.
This has nothing to do with anything. But that, I guess, is all I can expect from you. Nothing.
"are you so biased for liberals/leftist that only you believe only Conservatives could bring down the discourse?"
I am biased towards productive conversation. I have no problems getting that from T.Paine. I am not even sure you are a conservative. You just root for a team that claim to be conservative. I'm not sure you ever express an independent thought of your own.
"After all it is [Dave Dubya and Jefferson's Guardian who] label others as Nazi supporters, racists and bring mothers into the conversation." ~~ Majormajor (aka snowflake Chuck)
No, we only label you as at least a sympathizer -- not others.
As far as mothers, you're the one who said your mother orphaned you. I didn't.
What if Paul Krugman, the nobel prize winning economist who writes for the NY Times, had been right when he said after the election that the stock market would "never recover" from Trump's victory.
What if MSNBC host Rachel Maddow had been right when she said after Trump won that he would surely immediately push for McConnell and Ryan to be removed?
What if those who mocked the idea that he would appoint judges from the list he provided during the campaign had been correct?
What if ISIS hadn't been crushed by the change in military tactics to destruction from dispersion?
What if North Korea hadn't just destroyed its Punggye-ri nuclear test site?
What if China hadn't just cut its tariffs on imported cars from 25% to 15%?
If the predictions/assertions that our self-credentialed "experts" made about the Trump administration had not all proven false then we'd be in a very different political environment right now.
Jg,
Are you a child molester sympathizer? Since you have never answered (crickets) you must be, isn't that what you and Dave W say?
Dave Dubya said...
"I don’t expect Majormajor to read this. Unless he does, he may never know if I mention his mother in this topic."
June 2, 2018 at 6:18 PM
So it was Dave W who knowing my mother is dead brings her up in a post about me. He is an ass hole deluxe.
Remember when Obama saying jobs of the past are not coming back, claiming America is not in decline, and Trump lacks ‘magic wand’ to grow the economy?
ABRACADABRA!!!
H/T J. Wood
Was Majormajor offended when I said nothing negative about his mother? That would be quite a snowflake reaction, wouldn’t it? And then he said I’m an asshole for NOT insulting his mother. Poor wittow baby. Always the victim.
My mother has passed too, but I wouldn’t be a crybaby about someone testing my reading comprehension the way I did with him. He won’t discuss anything or recognize our points, so what did we have to lose?
I was testing to see if he was reading what I wrote. How else would we even know? So far he has indicated he read no further than the first two sentences, and then wigged out.
Majormajor is sooo sensitive for a rugged tough conservative, amirite?
Such a delicate little Angry White Conservative. Maybe he should go get his very fine people marching with Nazis to comfort him. They would be happy to join him in his hate for me, too.
I welcome their hatred. If Nazis and their sympathizers hate me, I wear it as a badge of honor.
Just like Steve Bannon told white racists to wear the term “racist” with pride, Majormajor may as well embrace the label too. He’s hardly convinced anyone he’s not a racist by his demeaning the Black guy and loyal support for the racist birther who denied the Black President was an American.
I mean, how “not racist” can a poor, angry, hateful white orphan be?
Sad. But he CAN take comfort knowing criminal racist, and fellow Trump lover, Dinesh D’Souza is pardoned, though.
Time to cheer up and bait some more liberals, I say.
"And then he said I’m an asshole for NOT insulting his mother." ~~ Dave Dubya
This is what I'm confused about, Dave. Why did the mention of Chuck's mother become such a hot-button for him? There certainly wasn't any malice or offense intended.
You wrote: "I don’t expect Majormajor to read this. Unless he does, he may never know if I mention his mother in this topic. Could go either way, right?"
What caused him to go over the top and call you an "ass hole", and then later "an ass hole deluxe"?
I'm even more curious why he said he was "an orphan".
And staying on topic...
What are the other unintended consequences [of making abortion illegal again]? What about the already overburdened legal systems around the country? How man cases will crowd the dockets of courthouses and fill the jails with defendants waiting for trial? What would it also do to our already overburdened prison systems? If Republicans succeed in criminalizing abortion in this country, what will the penalties be? How long would prison terms be and who would go to jail? The doctors who perform the abortions? The women who seek the abortions? Or is this something the Republicans want? More inmates for prisons. Because there are privately owned prisons in this country, like Corrections Corporation of America that supported the Arizona immigration law to put undocumented women and children into their prisons. Maybe Republicans see criminalizing abortion as a way to fill their prisons with women who sought an abortion or doctors who performed them. This could be another money-making opportunity for Republican donors. The U.S. is already Number 1 in the world for the percentage of it's population incarcerated. There's a record Republicans must want to hold on to.
An unintended consequence that both Mr. Paine and Chuck chastised me over many posts ago, was my mentioning that Roe v. Wade had effectively reduced the rate of violent crime in America starting about eighteen to twenty years after the supreme court decision in 1973. This is documented and, if I'm not incorrect, is still the case today -- twenty-plus years after.
Private prisons must be chomping at the bit. It'll be a "twofer" for them.
Assuming the world's not living through some dystopian future by then, I predict Ireland will see a great reduction in their own violent crime rates starting in about twenty years.
Finally a comment that is not about Chuck! I was thinking this site should be named "What's Wrong With Chuck?"
Conservatives have three objectives when it comes to sex and procreation:
1) Completely eliminate all abortions even in the case of rape and incest. Deformities and terminal genetic conditions also should not be a reason for abortion.
2) Completely eliminate all contraception for men and women which would dramatically increase the amount of pregnancies per year.
3) Completely eliminate all state and federal programs for day care, health care and education and food subsidies. In other words, no support at all for mothers and children.
What would be the Republican plan for an extra five million unwanted kids be born every year? They certainly would not want to spend a nickel on massive orphanages all over the country. Maybe another tax cut for the wealthy would be the plan.
If conservatives had their way women and doctors would fill prisons.
If conservatives had their way there would still be rule by royalty, slavery, child labor, no public education, no unions, no independent journalism, and no Social Security, and no public health care.
No freedom. No justice. Theocracy and authoritarian dominance by wealthy white conservative men is their goal.
The real "enemy of the people" has spoken.
Our Orange Fuhrer has declared: "I have the absolute right to PARDON myself, but why would I do that when I have done nothing wrong?"
Exactly how Hitler and Stalin saw it. They were above the law too.
Anyone who accepts this dictate and follows that authoritarian is no different than a Nazi. It is who they are.
This is the new American Con-servatism, folks. And it is a threat to our freedom, justice and Constitution.
We know MM is loyal to his dictator, but will Mr. Paine, our Constitution authority, fall into line too?
I never have endorced (spelling error!) child molestation or indicated I support child molestation.
Jg
June 3, 2018 at 7:35 PM
I have never endorsed racism or Nazis or White Supremacist or indicated I supported same.
Majormajor 6/4/2018
Now, can we discuss the topic of Mr. Paine's post or do we continue in the useless game of name calling? It is up to you and Dave W.
”I have never endorsed racism or Nazis or White Supremacist or indicated I supported same.”
How admirable this would be, from most people.
How sincere could it be from one who has never endorsed the truth?
I have never “endorsed” Nation of Islam. Obama never endorsed Nation of Islam. A racist would certainly make such accusations. And Majormajor has also made these accusations.
Nor have I or Obama claimed “very fine people” march with NOI.
Majormajor really does endorse a racist authoritarian who said the Black president wasn’t an American. Majormajor really does endorse a racist authoritarian who claims to be above the law and that very fine people marched with Nazis.
This is exactly what Nazis and racists believe. This is the truth.
This endorsement tells us far more than what he claims he hasn’t endorsed.
He may, or may not, be a card carrying member, but this is what amounts to being a Nazi and racist sympathizer. This is not “name calling”. This is the truth.
Just don’t call him a racist. It makes him even more angry and hateful.
Again, I wonder why?
All I know is Colin Powell’s aid Colonel Wilkerson said there are a lot of racists in HIS Republican Party.
It is now the Party of Trump. As far as they endorse a racist who claims to above the law, they beg a comparison to fascists.
They are the enemies of democracy, freedom, justice, equality, the First Amendment’s free press, and the truth. They are the real enemies of the people.
This is the new American Con-servatism, folks.
And they hate anyone who understands this fact.
Well you can't say i didn't try.
"Victim"? The Angry White Con-servatives and their Orange Fuhrer are the real victims. And they say so. Trump plays the Victim Card almost every day. "Not fair".
Thank you for your projection.
As I said, I welcome your hatred.
Jg, what you don't seem to get is your definitions of what is and isn't something is the problem.
You define President Trump as a "racist white supremacist demogague"(sp) and as I've said before, you then label anyone who supports his policy's as also being a "racist white supremacist sympathizer". You agree with me that is what your are doing.
I reject your definition of President Trump being a "racist white supremacist demogague(sp)" anymore than President Obama was a Black nationalist, black supremacist because he accepted the endorsement of the NOI.
Your claim of President Trump being a "racist white supremacist demogague "(sp) only reinforces my position that due to his economic and foreign policy successes the only thing liberals/leftist have left to play is the race card, which you just played.
As I've said many many times before I oppose legal abortion except in the case of rape or incest as long as the abortion is before the first 8 weeks and in the case of saving the life of the mother, anytime. I hold that each State should determine if abortion is legal in their State and if legal what, if any limits, should be applied. I do not support the Federal funding of abortion, however if the people of a State want to fund abortion with their State's tax dollars that is their business. But if given the chance I would vote against abortion and my tax dollars funding abortion.
As a matter of principle I find abortion immoral as it is the murder of a human while in it's mothers womb and therefore IF legal must be tightly regulated, as much as the death penalty is regulated.
"You agree with me that is what your [sp] are doing." ~~Majormajor
Yes, if you're supportive of a racist, that definitely makes you a sympathizer.
Please explain why you disagree with this line of reasoning.
"...anymore than President Obama was a Black nationalist, black supremacist because he accepted the endorsement of the NOI." ~~ Majormajor
Sorry, this is false equivalency. Trump has been accused of racist behavior and actions -- not only in the distant past but also while on the campaign trail and even after assuming office. This never was the case with Obama.
Secondly, and I may be mistaken but I don't think I am, Obama never accepted the endorsement of the NOI.
Nonetheless, I'm not talking about Trump's endorsement by David Duke -- I'm purely keying on his racist and hateful behavior.
Chuck, it's for this reason, and this reason alone, I could never accept nor support Donald Trump -- even if he slashed military spending in half, brought unemployment down to zero, and won the war on poverty. Racism and intolerance of any kind is, and will always be, a deal-breaker with me.
Let's never forget that Adolph Hitler improved the German economy dramatically. But there was an immoral and black lining associated with all those improvements. As a nation we're not immune from going down that same dark road.
By the way, thank you for pointing out my spelling errors - Just as I know you appreciate it when I point out your own spelling and grammatical errors. ;-)
Anyway, since it appears you also disagree that Trump's a demagogue (look! Spelled correctly!). The definition of Demagogue: a political leader who seeks support by appealing to popular desires and prejudices rather than by using rational argument.
This is Donald Trump in a nutshell. Do you agree?
This definition fits too:
A leader who makes use of popular prejudices and false claims and promises in order to gain power.
Chuck, I respect your thoughtful synopsis regarding abortion. It's too bad you never took the time to articulate your thoughts and feelings in the past. You could have saved yourself a lot of grief.
Abortion, to me, is a very personal issue, and like any medical procedure should be left up to the woman after receiving her healthcare provider's advice.
I’m afraid I have to point out another falsehood from Majormajor....again.
I reject your definition of President Trump being a "racist white supremacist demogague(sp)" anymore than President Obama was a Black nationalist, black supremacist because he accepted the endorsement of the NOI.
WRONG!
Obama did not accept the endorsement of NOI.
From UPI:
Asked at the Democratic debate in Ohio about Farrakhan's endorsement, Obama said he’d "been very clear in my denunciation" of Farrakhan and his past statements.
"I did not solicit this support" Obama said.
After being pressed by Clinton, who said she unequivocally declined support from a group she described as anti-Semitic when she was running for New York senator, Obama rejected Farrakhan's support.
Clinton said Obama was not being direct enough, noting "there's a difference between denouncing and rejecting" a supporter's endorsement.
"And I made it very clear that I did not want their support, I rejected it," she said.
Obama responded, saying: "I'm happy to concede the point and I would reject and denounce."
Now that we’ve established the FACT Obama did not accept the endorsement of NOI, let’s look at FACTS about Trump.
He built a following of white nationalists, Klan member, neo-Nazis and other racists by insisting the Black President was not an American.
Trump was ordered twice by courts to rent to Blacks after he refused to do so.
Trump demanded the death penalty for exonerated Blacks in the Central Park case.
Trump called NFL athletes “sons of bitches” for protesting racist cops shooting unarmed Blacks.
Trump said “very fine people” were on “both sides”, including those who marched with chanting racist Nazis.
Majormajor supports Trump despite all the racism.
Every white nationalist and racist agree with Majormajor.
He agrees with Trump's racism, lies about the Black president, and then he whines that WE are playing the race card.
‘Nuff said.
Majormajor has the opinion that Trump has had “economic and foreign policy successes”.
Trump’s billionaire cronies were handed huge tax cuts. To pay for the trillion dollars more deficit he created, (economic success?) Medicare and Medicaid will cut health care for the elderly and poor, while children would see the Childrens’ Health Insurance Program slashed. Success? Really?
Let’s look at foreign policy.
Trump gave secrets to Russians in the Oval Office. That was Putin’s success.
Trump wants to help bail out a hostile Chinese telelcom. This is a Chinese success.
Trump’s stupid aluminum and steel tariffs on allies in the name of “national security” is a foreign policy failure triggering trade wars.
Here are others with more informed opinions than Majormajor’s parroting and shilling for Trump.
“Choosing a trade war is a mistaken prescription. The outcome will only be harmful. China would have to make a justified and necessary response.”
Wang Yi
“If you put tariffs against your allies, one wonders who the enemies are.”
Mario Draghi, President of the European Central Bank
CHRYSTIA FREELAND, CANADIAN FOREIGN MINISTER: “So, what you are saying to us and to all of your NATO allies is that we somehow represent a national security threat to the United States. And I would just say to all of Canada's American friends -- and there are so many -- seriously? Do you really believe that Canada, that your NATO allies represent a national security threat to you? And so I would just really say to our closest allies in the world, you, the United States, please think hard about the message you are sending to your closest allies. Canada, the largest exporter of steel and aluminum to the United States, said it would apply counter-tariffs of 25% and 10% on about $12.8 billion worth of American metals, farm goods and other products, to take effect July 1.”
“That Canada could be a national security threat to the U.S. is inconceivable,” said Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, noting the many Canadians who have died alongside U.S. soldiers in joint military operations over the years. “These tariffs are an affront to the longstanding security partnership between Canada and the United States.”
“If the worst case scenario happens, we are read to take the U.S. to the WTO court, and we are discussing with other allies, other partners, to do it together.”
Jyrki Katainen, European Union vice president for jobs and competitiveness
Jacob Parker of the US-China Business Council, said there could be possible retaliation measures from China targetting US farmers.
"We have heard from the Chinese and from those who have spoken with them that soybeans, the largest US imports, are definitely one of the things that could be targeted in the future," he explained.
“This is protectionism, pure and simple,” said Jean-Claude Juncker, president of the EU Commission, which represents the 28-member states in the union. He said the U.S. “now leaves us with no choice” but to impose duties on American imports, although he did not specify the exact amount or timing of the retaliation.
Even some Republicans see Trumps’ stupidity:
“This is dumb,” said Nebraska Sen. Ben Sasse, adding that similar protectionist measures contributed to the Great Depression in 1929.
House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) said that he disagreed with the decision. "Instead of addressing the real problems in the international trade of these products, today's action targets America's allies when we should be working with them," he said
Any more of this kind of “winning” and even more Americans will suffer.
Jg,
I have posted my position regarding abortion before, like I said many times.
But thanks.
Because I disagree with your definition of President Trump as a racist, nutcase etc, does not make me the same as what you think the President is. Frankly, I am sick and tired of being labeled by you and to an almost pathological degree Dave W. as something you have no proof of other than I than I disagree with your assessment of President Trump. Do you really believe that if I or any other person who disagrees with you or Dave W on this subject, that automatically makes that person a worthy subject of derision and a supporter therefore of WS, Nazis and racism?
You have never met me, you know nothing of my personal life and experiences, where I was raised, how many siblings I have, how many children and grand kids I have, the history of my politics, my favorite music, my voting record, my education, my IQ, how my cancer treatment is coming along, or how I lost my parents. (Dave W will now say I'm playing the victim card or something just as stupid) You only know that I am NOW a Conservative and therefore a racist, Nazi or WS.
Honestly, that is just plan blind bias on the part of two you.
The subject of this thread is the Irish voting to make abortion legal, I've said all I have to say on that subject in my earlier statement. It's sad that human life has become so cheap.
It is a pleasure to see Majormajor reminding US of the original post subject.
The subject of this thread is the Irish voting to make abortion legal, I've said all I have to say on that subject in my earlier statement.
Thank you, MM.
And for the record, I hope the cancer is gone or in remission and you live many years with your grandchildren.
I hope you live long enough to listen to them when they find wisdom, and learn something you may never otherwise know.
"I have posted my position regarding abortion before, like I said many times." ~~ Majormajor
But never have you articulated it. I show more respect for those who substantiate their position rather than just yell that it's immoral or that it's murder. That's only subjective posturing.
"Because I disagree with your definition of President Trump as a racist, nutcase etc, does not make me the same as what you think the President is." ~~ Majormajor
First of all, I don't just think (or "believe") Trump is a racist. It has been proven that he is.
Secondly, and I will continue to stand by my position that any support for a known racist makes the one supporting the racist at the very least a racist sympathizer.
"I am sick and tired of being labeled by you and to an almost pathological degree Dave W. as something you have no proof of other than I than I disagree with your assessment of President Trump." ~~ Majormajor
I'll say it again, because obviously you're not understanding what I'm saying. Since Trump is a known racist and bigot, your supporting of him -- or anyone else supporting him -- makes you, at best, a sympathizer.
Now, agreed, unlike Donald Trump I cannot prove you're a racist. However, your unabashed support and endorsement of him literally defines you as a sympathizer.
"You have never met me, you know nothing of my personal life and experiences..." ~~ Majormajor
Agreed. And you don't know mine.
"...where I was raised, how many siblings I have, how many children and grand kids I have..." ~~ Majormajor
Agreed, and neither do you know how may siblings I have, or grandchildren -- or whether I have any at all.
"...the history of my politics, my favorite music, my voting record, my education, my IQ..." ~~ Majormajor
Check (although I know your current politics), check, check, check and check. And neither do you know mine.
"...how my cancer treatment is coming along, or how I lost my parents." ~~ Majormajor
No, I have no idea, other than you mentioned very recently that you're the victim of cancer -- but I don't know what type, or how long it has affected you.
I don't know how you lost your parents, other than you claim to be an orphan, and neither do you know how I lost my parents.
"You only know that I am NOW a Conservative and therefore a racist, Nazi or [white supremacist]"
No, being a conservative doesn't necessarily correlate to being either a racist, a neo-Nazi, or a white supremacist. Being a supporter and backer of a known racist and white supremacist, though, certainly doesn't support your dubious claim that you're not.
At the very least, you're a "racist sympathizer" -- which, once again, is due to your endorsement and support of a known racist.
"Honestly, that is just plan [sic] blind bias on the part of [the] two [of] you." ~~ Majormajor
A little projection goes a long way, but not in this case. As I've said for the umpteenth time, when you support and endorse a known racist, you, by default, become nothing less than a racist sympathizer.
"It's sad that human life has become so cheap." ~~ Majormajor
I agree, and so is it sad that the lives of protesting Palestinians are used as target practice by Israeli snipers, and unarmed black men are murdered by reckless trigger-happy cops, and refugee children are locked up in cages by U.S. immigration and border patrol officials, and the poor are deprived of basic necessities and healthcare, and...
Yes, the list goes on and on. Life is cheap when you're not wealthy and powerful. It is sad.
Dave W,
Please accept my apology for calling you less than gentlemanly like names.
I am sorry, please forgive me.
"How is President Trump a known racist? ~~ Majormajor (aka reading comprehension challenges Chuck)
Jesus Christ, Chuck! Do we have to go through this all over again?!
See my comment dated April 20th from two blog posts ago.
"Did he call Obama a clean African American"[sic], as Joe Biden did?"
and...
"Did he say that Obama would be hauling his bags like Bill Clinton did?" ~~ Majormajor (aka whataboutism Chuck)
Neither Bill Clinton or Joe Biden are the sitting president.
Oh I see, it's the not sitting President cop out thing.
So it wasn't racism, I get it ok.
Funny how my questions are deemed whatabouitism but no one else's are.
But my question as not about what seat in Govt. Biden and Clinton held, it was were their statements racist?
It's not like to deflect.
Chuck, as you stated them I consider both remarks racist and bigoted.
Do you? If not, why not?
Of course in the context of how Bill Clinton was using the term, it was describing how things used to be and how much they'd changed.
As far as Biden's stupid-ass remark, it was totally inappropriate. Of course, he apologized on national television.
Did I vote for, endorse, or support either? Nope!
That's unlike you and the racist demagogue in the White House. (And because of this, we all know what this makes you. Don't we?)
Majormajor,
I understand anger and emotion can influence the words we use. It happens with all of us, myself included. We are only human. I was brought up to hate the sin, but love the sinner.
Your apology is accepted and I forgive you. No hard feelings.
”were their statements racist?”
Your question is valid, but only if you apply equal consideration for Trump’s statements. I would say they were stupid and racially insensitive, but far from the demeaning, hateful, condescension Trump has shown. Sort of like comparing Garrison Keillor to Bill Cosby on their behavior towards women. Different levels of degree entirely. And yes, Bill Clinton’s behavior with some women was deplorable. (How do you like that term now?)
Biden and Clinton didn’t claim Obama wasn’t an American. They never refused to rent to Blacks. They never called for the death penalty for exonerated Black defendants. They never called Black athletes protesting police brutality “sons of bitches”. How are their statements racist, especially when compared to Trumps?
You will get more respect, as with your statement on abortion, if you elaborate with a similarly thoughtful honest answer.
This is how discussion works, if we don’t sabotage with deflection and distraction.
This is also what Mr. Paine wants, if I’m not mistaken.
Jg, both comments are racist from racists and I also did not vote for
either. Why don't you ask President Trump if he agrees with us? ;-)
Dave,
"but only if you apply equal consideration for Trump’s statements" why that exception? Don't our words stand on their own? Weren't both comments make long before Trump was President? Shouldn't then they be viewed in the context of the day they were spoken, not in the context of today?
About that birther-ism, I think Trump was wrong in believing Obama was not an American citizen because regardless of where he was born his mother's citizenship guaranteed his American citizenship. So it as a moot point. President Trump has since taken back his position, which I hope you applaud as I do.
"Trump finally admits it: 'President Barack Obama was born in the United States"
September 16, 2016
CNN
One thing that has always puzzled me is Obama’s Literary Agent Said He Was Born in Kenya
A 1991 literary promotional booklet identified Barack Obama as having been born in Kenya.
"Barack Obama, the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review, was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii. The son of an American anthropologist and a Kenyan finance minister, he attended Columbia University and worked as a financial journalist and editor for Business International Corporation. He served as project coordinator in Harlem for the New York Public Interest Research Group, and was Executive Director of the Developing Communities Project in Chicago’s South Side. His commitment to social and racial issues will be evident in his first book, Journeys in Black and White."
Why was this allowed to be published and why wasn't it corrected? It sure would have made birther-ism a lot less of a topic.
Further note on abortion, I don't know if you recall my stating that my wife and I acted as foster parents for new born babies whose mothers had decided not to abort but to allow adoption. Kind of walking the talk or something like that. Anyway, you may not remember what Mozart said about our being foster parents, but he claimed we were doing it only for the money! That really tainted for me what the pro choice people were saying and on the other hand believing.
"Why was this allowed to be published and why wasn't it corrected? It sure would have made birther-ism a lot less of a topic."
Because someone made a mistake.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/promotional-booklet/
Furthmore, a promotional pamphlet isn't adaquate proof of birth and citizenship
Majormajor,
I admire your being foster parents for babies. I read somewhere Trump never changed a diaper. No surprise, of course.
You posed the question, ”were their statements racist?”
As a decent person, I addressed your question. In an unsuccessful effort in pushing our luck for another honest answer, I noted:
“Your question is valid, but only if you apply equal consideration for Trump’s statements... This is how discussion works, if we don’t sabotage with deflection and distraction.”
Your response was another spattering of deflection by FOUR consecutive questions. LOL!
I suppose it would be asking too much for you to explain the difference and how it matters between the “context of the day” and “context of today”.
Welcome back to your Bubble!
The short deviation was fun while it lasted.
I think Trump was wrong in believing Obama was not an American
Impressive admission.
I shall return your barrage of deflecting questions with a few questions that relate to the discussion.
“Trump was wrong”.
I applaud you again, Majormajor. This is a first, indeed! Long ago I asked you if Trump ever lied, or was ever wrong. Nothing. My patience is at last rewarded. And I give you more credit than Trump. Unlike your leader, you actually apologized for a rude remark.
Perhaps when your eyes, ears and conscience open a bit more you’ll find one or two more instances where he lied or is wrong?
Unfortunately Trump built his fanatic “cult of personality” followers on that same racist birther lie. And most of them still believe Obama was not an American. Would you say this widespread false and racist belief, promoted for years by Trump, is making America great?
Let me understand this. You are hoping I applaud Trump for grudgingly and insincerely admitting Obama is an American? Less than a month before the election?
Now, when should we expect Trump’s apology to Obama? When will that small spark of basic decency emerge from his dark cloud of anger, hate, racism and narcissism?
Not that I’m accusing you, but even IF you are a white supremacist, you have still demonstrated more basic human decency than your leader.
For this I congratulate you.
Andrew McCabe Has Reportedly Requested Immunity for Testimony in Hearing on Clinton Email Probe..if true, who do you think he will give up?
"Why was this allowed to be published and why wasn't it corrected? It sure would have made birther-ism a lot less of a topic." ~~ Majormajor (Ah shucks, Chuck)
The answer: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." -- The Constitution of the United States, Amendment 1
That's what allows you to say all the malarkey and horses__t you do, along with your all-time hero, Donald Trump. There aren't many countries in the world that have these particular rights, and the far-right's making every effort to chip away at them each year -- well, except for their misconstrued interpretation of the very first clause.
I'm still trying to wrap my head around the Court's decision the other day in Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission.
Everyone, recite after me: "Opening a can of worms".
He isn't giving up anyone, MM. He is asking for immunity so that whatever he tells the Senate committee can't be used against him in the criminal case that's already going on.
Jg,
I was referring to Obama and Harvard, not the Govt clearing up the mess/mistake. Not everything involves the Govt (shock)!
I agree it's a can of worms that started with the baker being taken to court over baking a cake to celebrate something he disagreed with. I understand the Court viewed the baker as an artist and therefore could not be forced to create something that he felt wasn't artistic. Narrow ruling as I doubt all bakers can be viewed as artists.
TB3,
So why give him immunity if he has nothing in exchange to offer?
... to keep him from just pleading the fifth and wasting everyone's time?
"Not all conservatives and Republicans are racists, but practically all white racists are conservatives and republicans."
Come on Dave W, you know better...I guess I could say, not all democrats and liberals are commies but all practically all commies are democrats and liberals.
Come on Dave W, you know better.. “
Yes I do. And I am correct. All those “very fine people” carrying tiki torches are big Trump fans. They love him. (Why is that?)
I guess I could say, not all democrats and liberals are commies but all practically all commies are democrats and liberals.
You could say it, but it doesn’t work that way. The corporate friendly Democratic Party is quite unlike the Communist Club. They are hardly a party at all, and are so few they have no voice in policy. No commie is a big Hillary fan. Commies despise Hillary the Wall Street appeaser and corporatist war hawk.
Remember when the US needed communist allies to fight the racist Nazis in WWII?
Trump would do it the other way around. He LOVES dictators, and wants to be one.
“No rational argument will have a rational effect on a man who does not want to adopt a rational attitude...True ignorance is not the absence of knowledge, but the refusal to acquire it.” – Karl Popper
Our Leader, folks.
Trump and Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau had a testy phone call on May 25 over new tariffs imposed by the Trump administration targeting steel and aluminum imports coming from Canada, including one moment during the conversation in which Trump made an erroneous historical reference, sources familiar with the discussion told CNN.
According to the sources, Trudeau pressed Trump on how he could justify the tariffs as a "national security" issue. In response, Trump quipped to Trudeau, "Didn't you guys burn down the White House?" referring to the War of 1812.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/06/politics/war-of-1812-donald-trump-justin-trudeau-tariff/
"Ignorance is strength." Orwell, 1984
Oh brother Dave W, just when I think you might have regained some sanity you prove me wrong again with your over the top partisan leftist rants.
Is it no wonder that the Democrat party of J.F.K., of Hubert Humphrey of Harry S Truman no longer exists? There is no room for moderates or even liberals, it's radical leftist all the way.
"Our knowledge can only be finite, while our ignorance must necessarily be infinite"
Karl Popper
"So sad".
TB3
Google invasion of Poland.
The Communist allies needed American help to fight the racist Nazis.
MM thinks facts and history are now “over the top partisan leftist rants”.
Majormajor insults our WW II veterans with his stupid, ignorant, and hateful lies. Just like a Nazi sympathizer.
Our boy's back in form.
“No rational argument will have a rational effect on a man who does not want to adopt a rational attitude...True ignorance is not the absence of knowledge, but the refusal to acquire it.” – Karl Popper
He knew Majormajor’s type well.
Even MORE Republican "Very fine people", Nazis, and racists:
Eight overt white nationalists are running for office in 2018—a new record, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center. Overt fascists, inspired by the rise of President Donald Trump, have found a place both within and just outside the margins of the official Republican Party. Over 20,000 people voted in a GOP primary this past March for former American Nazi Party member Art Jones, making him the Republican candidate for the US House in Illinois’ 3rd District. Patrick Little, who told NBC (5/3/18) that the “monstrous nature of the Jewish people must be known to the public,” ran as a Republican for Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s seat in California, and got more than 50,000 votes.
http://www.businessinsider.com/white-nationalists-running-for-office-in-2018-2018-5
Twisted.
"so sad"
Twisted Trumpist History Part 3,972
CNN: State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert on Tuesday cited the D-Day invasion during an answer about the current state of US-German relations.
"We have a very strong relationship with the government of Germany," Nauert said. "Looking back in the history books, today is the 71st anniversary of the speech that announced the Marshall Plan. Tomorrow is the anniversary of the D-Day invasion. We obviously have a very long history with the government of Germany, and we have a strong relationship with the government of Germany."
Who can top that?
Major Hochstetter, June 6, 2018:
"Remember when the US needed communist allies to fight the racist Nazis in WWII, are you sure it wqsn't the other way around?"
Is it me, or does this look like how a Nazi sympathizer would commemorate D-Day?
Looks like Dave W is back to his personal attacks again.
"So Sad"
How to deflect from Republican Nazis:
Looks like Dave W is back to his personal attacks again.
"So Sad"
Sad, indeed.
"I admire [Chuck and Ms. Morre for] being foster parents for babies." ~~ Dave Dubya
A noble venture, for sure. Of course one must be careful not to place too much confidence in the words of someone who admires and adores a serial liar.
I was referring to Obama and Harvard, not the Govt clearing up the mess/mistake. Not everything involves the Govt (shock)!" ~~ Majormajor (aka defensive and embarrassed Chuck)
So why not make that clear in the first place?
Additionally, was it really your impression that I thought the government was responsible for "clearing up the mess/mistake"?
"I understand the Court viewed the baker as an artist and therefore could not be forced to create something that he felt wasn't artistic." ~~ Majormajor (aka legal scholar Chuck)
Oh really? So it wasn't about the baker having to perform a service he felt conflicted with his religious standards?
So now the high court is making decisions on the basis of whether or not artists have the prerogative of discriminating and refusing service?
You'll have to show me on what precedence they based their decision. This is fascinating. ;-)
How did the high court determine this particular baker's cakes were works of art, as opposed to other bakers' cakes? Is there an artistic standard the justices used in their decision?...and more importantly, is this artistic standard restricted to only bakers?
Does this artistic standard, if I qualify, allow me to refuse service to Christians who buy from my business?
Let me know quickly, 'cause I'm going to have signs made today that read: "No Service to Christians".
His record is so bad he is unable to answer tough questions!
IOKIYAR: Part 45,908,483
Trump:
Crooked Hillary Clinton has not held a news conference in more than 7 months. Her record is so bad she is unable to answer tough questions!
Jake Tapper:
Happy 2nd anniversary to this tweet. President Trump hasn’t held a full solo news conference in 16 months — since February 2017.
So I see that Trump's top advisor, Sean Hannity, is televising to Mueller's witnesses to acid-wash their cell phone hard drives and delete all their messages. (Wink, wink, Hannity says, just kidding.)
Typical mobster tactics.
The mob boss in the White House, surrounds himself with mob hitmen.
Did anyone ever envision a day when a Tony Soprano-like boss would be living at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue?
Yeah, me neither.
I guess Hannity and Trump tell bedtime stories to one another every night. I'm not certain whether there's more involved than just "sweet whispering". It could help explain why Melania was AWOL for almost three weeks. ;-)
Anyway, here's more:
"Sean Hannity has called on the witnesses in the special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation to delete their evidence and destroy all their hardware in an attempt to derail the case.
The Fox News host on Wednesday night said witnesses should 'acid-wash the emails on the hard drives and your phones' then smash them into 'itsy-bitsy pieces' with a hammer.
The advice — which would be illegal to follow — appeared to be sarcastic and was delivered as part of an attack on Hillary Clinton."
More obstruction of justice...and they still go after Hillary Clinton as if she were the president. It's pretty amusing. I guess they realize she actually did win the election. ;-)
Guess who tweeted/projected this: "No president in history has lied to the American people more than President Obama - in fact, it is not even close!"
Sad.
Trump calls children’s health care "wasteful" as GOP votes to slash it.
I guess they are only "children" before they are born?
Whatever the radical Right calls them, they are far less important than tax cuts for corporations and the rich.
This they have shown abundantly. How do they sleep?
Trump Christians worship Republican Jesus. No two ways about it.
Show me where I'm mistaken.
Will Majormajor tell us what he thinks of those kids losing health care?
Crickets...
Putin's Puppet is back serving his master.
Making Russia Great Again.
How do his supporters sleep?
It's got to be the shared hate that keeps them going.
"Con-$ervative Value$, amirite?" ~~ Dave Dubya
Dave, you're absolutely correct. Was there ever any doubt? Certainly not to rational well-adjusted people, that's for sure.
The cult of Trump -- making America grate again.
I see the alt-righter has gone silent. I bet Mr. Paine told him to, otherwise he was going to turn off his blog.
I'm betting Chuck begged and pleaded, like he did with Tom Degan -- remember? ;-)
I think the boys need to regroup. MM's deflections are not working and reality bites.
Now the Trump Christians have decided Insurance companies can dump and deny people with pre-existing conditions.
"let 'em die", along with those poor children about to lose their health care.
It really is all about their Con-$ervative "Value$".
That, and their unquestioning submission to their authoritarian leaders and propaganda.
Besides, they're much to busy regurgitating "Hoax", "Witch Hunt", and "No collusion" while projecting it all at democrats.
David Corn concludes: (Emphasis mine.)
"No wonder then that a recent poll found that 59 percent of Americans said Mueller has uncovered no crimes. In fact, he has secured 17 criminal indictments and obtained five guilty pleas. Accurate news reporting alone does not always carry the day.
The Russia scandal is the most important scandal in the history of the United States. President Andrew Johnson was impeached (but not convicted) because he violated an act of Congress to remove a secretary of war. In the Teapot Dome scandal, the secretary of the interior in Warren Harding’s administration leased federal lands at low rates to private oil companies, presumably in return for bribes. In Watergate, a president and his aides engaged in political skulduggery against political foes. President Bill Clinton lied about a sexual affair he had with a subordinate in the White House. All these scandals raised serious questions about integrity in government. But at the heart of the Russia scandal is the most fundamental issue for a democracy: the sanctity of elections.
An overseas enemy struck at the core of the republic—and it succeeded. Trump and his minions helped and encouraged this attack by engaging in secret contacts with Moscow and publicly insisting no such assault was happening. This is far bigger than a bribe, a break-in, or a blow job. And, worse, the United States remains vulnerable to such a strike.
Yet the full impact of this scandal does not resonate in the daily coverage and discourse. In many ways, the media presents the Russia scandal mostly as a political threat to Trump, not as a serious threat to the nation. And many Americans, thanks to Trump and his allies, view it as a charade. All this shows how easy it is for disinformation and demagoguery to distort reality. That is a tragedy for the United States. For Trump—and Putin—that is victory."
Dave, I also mentioned earlier in this post, or the previous, that Mueller already had 5 guilty pleas and 17 indictments, yet the conservatives continued to insist Mueller had nothing.
I don't understand the rationale. Five guilty pleas, seventeen indictments...and counting! And Trump has the audacity to claim it's a witch hunt?! Who is he kidding?!
I guess Fox News never reported this.
Treasonous bastard. He should hang when convicted. Better yet, since he's so infatuated by Macron's military display, a guillotine should be more his fate.
JG,
Those indictments are just the Liberal Deep State out to "frame" Trump and his "Good Americans"...and Russians.
Maybe our pillars of conservatism are busy researching answers to my questions. Still crickets on this one: Why was it bad for the Black president to talk to Kim, but OK for the Angry White president? FOX(R) said so, so it must be true!
Perhaps they are studying my facts and reconsidering their lopsided praise for the man who inherited a growing economy and falling unemployment?
Black unemployment went from 16% down to 8% under the Black Guy.
A drop of EIGHT points, but no credit to the "Black Messiah" from MM. I wonder why?
All glory to the White Racist for a TWO point drop in 18 months, the SAME percentage drop for Obama's last 18 months.
All praise to the Birther! None for the Black guy!
I wonder why?
Or maybe they are considering why it’s important to cut “wasteful” health care for poor children to grow the debt $1.5 trillion for tax cuts for the rich and corporations.
Maybe they are searching for a reason why denying health care coverage for people with pre-existing conditions is making America great.
Maybe they are beginning to wonder too?
Maybe?
LOL!!!! Just kidding!
They are running from these questions.
Open minds and questioning leaders are frowned upon by their Cult.
Trump is worse than a common house thief, his normal business practice was to rip off everybody that had any financial dealings with him, especially tradesman. 3500 of them took him to court and probably 3 times that number did not think it worth the effort.
Two of those stories come to mind, a small architectural firm got stiffed by Trump for $800,000 and went bankrupt with ten people losing their jobs. Another is about a guy that delivered two baby grand pianos and was told to take 25 percent of the price or go to court, he took the 25 percent.
Trump should be in a jail house instead of the White House.
Judging from Trumps performance at the G7, all the worlds leaders must think he is like an old cantankerous uncle with Alzheimer's.
There is nothing worse than a know nothing who thinks he knows everything, especially when he is the president of the US!
The probability of a good out come in N.K. is about Zero.
"Fox & Friends host and daughter of the US ambassador to Russia, Abby Huntsman, was forced to apologize after she touted the Trump-Kim summit as a 'meeting between two dictators' on air. The gaffe caused a storm of ridicule online." ~~ RT News, June 10, 2018
LOLOL
Finally, some truth from Fox News! LOL
"The probability of a good out come in N.K. is about Zero." ~~ woodenman1954
It's safe to remove probability theory from any positive outcome, James. It's absolutely certain this will turn out very badly for the U.S. and its allies.
The world will be watching as the goon-in-chief either gives away the store, or causes an international incident and places us at the brink of nuclear war.
Kim has already won his little game of "Spin the Dotard".
China is reducing sanctions.
Kim will make a demand, Trump will have a tantrum, and it's back to the same crap.
Which reminds me of a question only a good Conservative can answer.
Why was it bad for the Black president to talk to Kim, but OK for the Angry White president?
Anyone?
"I think [Majormajor and T. Paine] need to regroup. MM's deflections are not working and reality bites." ~~ Dave Dubya
There's no defense for that which is indefensible.
"John Oliver on Sunday night tore into Fox News hosts for defending President Donald Trump at all costs and working to discredit special counsel Robert Mueller by dismissing his investigation as a 'witch hunt.'
The 'Last Week Tonight' host saved some of his sharpest barbs for Sean Hannity, at one point congratulating him for creating 'the shittiest conspiracy theory ever.'
Oliver also played a clip of Hannity boasting about his unwillingness to be swayed by new evidence.
'And by the way, if the media, if you have more proof that this is not a witch hunt, OK, I don’t believe you,' Hannity said.
That left Oliver stunned.
'Wow, think about that: Give me facts, and even if you do, I won’t believe them,' Oliver said. 'He’s basically bragging that he’s proof-proof, which is a superpower that no one should want to have.' ~~ HuffPost, 6/11/2018
LOLOL
The right is "proof-proof". That's priceless! LOL
The alternate reality of the right's alternate universe marches on. Don't forget...Hannity is Trump's primary advisor and confidante -- late night "sweet whisperings" over the phone, and all. ;-)
We have a new name for the Cult. Proof Proof Pod People.
It’s all about protecting their Cult leader.
This is their campaign to discredit the Justice Department and shut down an active and productive investigation into Russian interference in our election. It amounts to treason, the deepest betrayal of our country. All in service to the Big Dotard.
Oliver examined Hannity’s and the Right’s tactics of defining terms, (covered by us here) whataboutism, (covered by us here)and counter-narrative. (Deflection, distraction, etc. also covered by us here)
Our conservative friends displayed all of these tactics as if they were instructed by Hannity himself.
Looks like this site is abandoned. Maybe Paine and Chuck have given up defending treasonous republican policies! WE WON !!!
"Maybe Paine and Chuck have given up defending treasonous republican policies!" ~~ woodenman1954
As previously mentioned, James, there's no defense for the indefensible.
First Paine dropped out because he couldn't stand lying in defense of Trump and his corrupt and deceitful administration. Then Chuck finally folds because, well, what else could he do? His alternative facts were always trumped by the truth.
"WE WON !!!" ~~ woodenman1954
No, James, there are no winners anymore. We're all losers to the corporate state and the authoritarianism of Trumpism.
It only goes downhill from here.
JG, I just read that the Republicans almost passed a bill that would decimate SS. They wanted to put aside the 2.7 Trillion SS reserve and use it for something else and only pay out what comes in each year in SS payments.
That would reduce SS checks by a large margin while the reserve go to what ever they want it to.
It is pretty amazing that they would openly steal trillions from the working class and expect to get away with it. It seems that the Republicans will crash the economy and create chaos like we have never seen before. So yeah, I was only kidding when I said we won.
"We have a new name for the Cult. Proof Proof Pod People." ~~ Dave Dubya
Yes, of course, the PPPP.
Very reminiscent of the CCCP, only the fascist side of the coin.
I believe John Oliver and you have stumbled upon the acronym that Trumpism will eventually devolve into when all the safety nets are torn away, Social Security is shredded and minced into more palatable pieces for Wall Street to squander, and the only monstrosity left is an over-bloated military industrial security complex that will become apparent to everyone has been used against them for many many decades.
The corporate state took control a long time ago. Now with Trumpism at the helm, the mean and violent face of traditional totalitarianism will lead the descent and take us into very dark times.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY PRESIDENT TRUMP!!!
Did you see Trump's birthday gift from North Korea?
A photo of the Orange Dictator saluting a NORTH KOREAN general. But taking a knee disrespects our troops, amirite?
He just loves dictators, authoritarians and uniforms.
They are a cult.
TRUMP'S BEST BIRTHDAY!
ECONOMY, NKOREA, WORLD CUP
JOBLESS 44 YEAR LOW
Don the Con has another birthday gift. His scam called the "Trump Foundation" is being investigated.
Cue, "Not fair", "Rigged", and "But Hillary..."
By two Democrat controlled states, nothing to see here, move along.
Kind of like the Mueller joke, "An FBI attorney who worked on the special counsel’s Russia investigation until earlier this year sent anti-Trump text messages to a colleague, including one exclaiming: “Viva le Resistance.”
Democratic Texas Rep. Henry Cuellar admitted Saturday that the Obama administration attempted to cover up the child migrant crisis occurring at the Souther border.
“It was kept very quiet under the Obama Administration. There were large numbers of people coming in. The Obama administration was trying to keep this quiet,” Cuellar told CNN’s Fredricka Whitfield.
Can we blame the Black Guy Jg?
"Can we blame the Black Guy Jg? ~~ Majormajor (aka Siamese Twin Chuck)
"We"??? Chuck, do you have a racist mouse in your pocket?...or are you attending your weekly KKK meeting? ;-)
Yes, very much! I'm glad you can see why! :-)
Chuck, are you going to take some time to visit the "local chapter" while you're in Ohio?
I don't know jg, tell which one is your favorite.
Chuck, you're the Klansman-in-the-closet. Only you would know.
Look it up in your directory. Better yet, I'm sure you could find one on their website.
By the way, if you forget your robes, your hotel sheets will probably do in a pinch. (Oh damn, you will not be able to take scissors with you on the plane. You know...to cut out eyeholes. LOLOL)
You are a fool Jg if you think I'm going to spend another minute of my life playing your grade school game of name calling.
Post something adult like so your children will have a REAL reason to proud of their father. Not your normal sophomoric drivel.
You are a fool Jg if you think I'm going to spend another minute of my life playing your grade school game of name calling.
Isn't calling someone a fool "name calling", or have Republicans redefined that term too?
Dave,
Nice try, but you will see that I am saying if Jg thinks I am going to waste my time with him, he must be fool. If Jg doesn't think I will not waste my time on him, he is not a fool...the choice of what he believes and does is his.
Chuck, I'm not calling you "names". I'm only defining what you've been representing yourself to be all along.
C'mon, Chuck, come out of the Klansman closet. Be true to yourself.
JG,
You yourself have proved you what you are.
"If Jg doesn't think I will not waste my time on him, he is not a fool... ~~ Majormajor (aka foolish Chuck)
What your double-negative means: If Jg does think I will waste my time on him, he is not a fool...
Thank You!
Oh, and yes, I knew you would! LOLOL
"You yourself have proved you what you are." ~~ Majormajor (aka nonsensical Chuck)
Another sentence that makes absolutely no sense. Like You! LOLOL
Here are photos that our unbiased media didn't publish in 2014/2015 when Obama was President.
http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/19/photos-obama-immigration-detention-facilities/
"Lefties didn't care. The photo suited their agenda." So true and what is even more telling is they try to disguised themselves as liberals.
Dem Sen. Dianne Feinstein Says All Senate Democrats Support A Bill Not Allowing Arrests Within 100 Miles Of The US/Mexico Border…
results of this can be found here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4upY8UWrsU
TB34
"Lies", Dave how about letting your readers determine for themselves if they are lies?
Either you are afraid they might have their eyes/mind opened or you think your readers are not smart enough to make up their own minds. Which one is it Dave?
For those of you who wonder what Dave removed, he removed links showing this all started under Obama, proof that the photos you are being told were taken 2018 were instead taken in 2014/15, proof that the separation of families isn't as long as you have been lead to believe by the unbiased media exampled by a report that Rio Grande Valley border agents prosecuted 568 adults and separated 1,174 children since the administration announced its "zero tolerance" policy in early April. However, it only took a matter of hours to reunite more than a third of these children with their parents.
This hardly constitutes an inhumane policy of "ripping" children away from their parents.
Lies not so much, but you will have to take authoritarian Dave's word for it. Isn't it great having Dave make up your mind for you?
BTW the youtube link Dave deleted was a skit from Monty Python about championship hide and seek, inflammatory right wing I'm sure. But he published and thanked TB3 for his link, LOL. Some links are more equal than others.
TB3, woodenman1954,
If you want to take part in a debate not censored by Dave W go here
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=32798426&postID=6107681867487753939&page=1&token=1529462289584
Dave doesn't trust you with points of view that aren't his.
Majormajor has been through this all before. It's not like he wasn't warned to stop his deflection and false or off-topic spamming behavior numerous times before.
This is from the thread in question:
==
Majormajor has been told several times in the past to not copy and paste (entire) articles here.
Since doing so, he dumped several more loads of lies and youtube links crap.
Those dumps are now gone. And we know what that means.
It's crybaby time. It calls for another "victim card" about "censorship".
He'll have to whine at another blog.
And he assuredly will.
==
Right on cue.
Cause we all know that Dave doesn't think you are smart enough to make up your own mind, so like the good authoritarian he is, HE will decide what is best for you.
"If you want to take part in a debate not censored by Dave W go here...[corrupted link]" ~~ Majormajor (totally bonkers Chuck
Chuck, I now think you're totally out of your mind.
What is wrong with you? [head shaking] You do realize you're not on Dave's blog, right?
It is inappropriate to bring what occurred on DDs blog to the comments section of TP's blog. It's Dave's blog and he can have published whatever he wants to see based on his perogative and criteria. Want your views unfiltered? You could have your own blog. There's no censorship.
They weren't views, they were facts from the LA Times. But I guess facts do get in the way of the left's views.
BTW, I never claimed censorship, but you TB3 must want your facts filtered.
Sad.
MM,
I know it's difficult for you to follow every comment thread your join and initiate, due to the shotgun blast nature of your commenting/trolling style. But you literally commented this:
"TB3, woodenman1954,
If you want to take part in a debate not censored by Dave W go here
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=32798426&postID=6107681867487753939&page=1&token=1529462289584
Dave doesn't trust you with points of view that aren't his."
I used your word. I am a fan of facts, MM. Furthmore, you posted a youtube link and a Dailycaller link, not an LA Times link. Now if you want to continue a conversation from DD's blog, perhaps you should comment on his blog utilizing the guidelines and expectations that DD requires for commenting. I'm no longer going to reply on T.Paine's blog to stuff concerning DD's blog.
My apologies to T.Paine for engaging in this on his blog.
MM:
If you want to take part in a debate not censored by Dave W go here
DD:
It's crybaby time. It calls for another "victim card" about "censorship".
He'll have to whine at another blog.
And he assuredly will.
==
Right on cue.
TB3 I posted an article from the LA Times that was on the Daily Caller, so you did read it? Bet Dave's pissed at you.
I have a copy of the deleted posts. Does MM?
Verbatum from MM’s comment:
The Los Angeles Times reports that Rio Grande Valley border agents prosecuted 568 adults and separated 1,174 children since the administration announced its "zero tolerance" policy in early April. However, it only took a matter of hours to reunite more than a third of these children with their parents.
That hardly constitutes an inhumane policy of "ripping" children away from their parents.
The un-cited source of this quote is from an un-credited editorial from the conservative Investor’s Business Daily. The same source also linked the Lowry article MM copy and pasted in its entirety in my comment thread.
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/separating-families-illegal-immigrants-trump-immigration-zero-tolerance-asylum/
The editorial was slanted in trying to downplay the extent of child separation. The reference to the LA Times was limited to the Rio Grande, and not the Arizona and California borders.
MM is not being honest again.
Now there's a joke, Dave calling someone a liar, like the lie he told Rain that he removed my comments in part for a racist comment...big lie Dave, since you keep copies of posts show us the offending racist comment.
While you're at it, why not grow a set and re-post all my comments or are you afraid?
Sad.
TP,
You once asked about photos.
For some good Fox News:
http://www.davedubya.com/
Chuck, you are full of shit when you say the children are only separated for a few hours from their parents, if that was the case there would not be a firestorm of criticism coming from around the world and from every part of the US.
https://www.alternet.org/what-will-happen-now-separated-migrant-children-no-one-seems-know
Nobody can screw up a situation like Trump can.
Apparently Woodman is too stupid to comprehend what he reads.
"The Los Angeles Times reports that Rio Grande Valley border agents prosecuted 568 adults and separated 1,174 children since the administration announced its "zero tolerance" policy in early April. However, it only took a matter of hours to reunite more than a third of these children with their parents."
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