I found this interesting article by Ken McIntyre and Kevin Mooney on The Daily Signal regarding antifa that seemed particularly relevant in light of our current discussions on this blog. It definitely lends credence to the "many sides" comment of President Trump. Enjoy.
When self-described anti-fascists showed up in force Saturday to oppose a rally of white supremacists in Charlottesville, Virginia, some of them turned violent, according to media reports and eyewitness accounts.
President Donald Trump did not specify radicals who operate under the banner of Antifa, an abbreviation for anti-fascist or anti-fascist action, when he said Tuesday that “both sides” bore responsibility for the violence and bloodshed that left three dead and dozens injured.
It is hard to know at this juncture how many of the hundreds of counterprotesters considered themselves affiliated with Antifa. Nor is it clear how many of them were among those who squared off against the white supremacists marching in downtown Charlottesville, trading punches and blows, some with lengths of wood.
The full facts await the findings of a Justice Department investigation of the Charlottesville violence announced by Attorney General Jeff Sessions.
“Antifa is a coalition of hyperviolent activists who are far-left anarchists or communists,” said Matthew Vadum, senior vice president at the Washington-based Capital Research Center. “They could be considered domestic terrorists. They are not legitimate actors in the democratic process.”
Read more here.
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Mr. Paine,
Thank you for noting the futility of my offering of facts to your closed mind. But I will help you with your blindness one more time.
I blame Trump for continuing to divide, rather than unite our country.
Good. But how is he doing that?
By equating Nazis, White Nationalists and the Klan with liberal counter protesters. Heather and her companions and fellow victims were “Just as bad” is the message to the Right. And a horrible false equivalence you embrace. Shame on you.
The difference is that you don't see that Obama did the same thing with his words and actions. As for Trump, he said the violence was on "many sides". The comment was unnecessarily incendiary, but it was true. Indeed of the four people arrested, two were from the protesters and two were from the counter-protesters. Evidently that beam is still in your eye preventing you from seeing that it is just one group that is fomenting violence.
...I am curious how am I sounding like Trump to your ears?
See above. Blame the black guy for racism and declare Nazis are the same as anti-fascist liberals. Declare two arrests from each groups as equal, ignoring the death and maiming of innocents. That's some "beam" you have there, brother.
I am astounded at your inability to see the reasons hate groups love Trump. His openly racist YEARS of birtherism accusing the Black Guy of NOT BEING AN AMERICAN should give you your first clue. Trump’s refusal to rent to Blacks should give you another clue. Trump’s appointment of Sessions the suppressor of black voting rights should be another clue. You dare invoke MLK’s words, but ignore the words of his wife about Sessions racist actions.
Trump’s embrace of White Nationalist and alt-Right propagandist Breitbart should be another clue. This is one of your valued sources of information, along with Alex Jones and WND?
How’s this for bigoted reaction to a grieving mother of a Muslim soldier?
“If you look at his wife, she was standing there. She had nothing to say. She probably, maybe she wasn’t allowed to have anything to say. You tell me,” Trump said in an interview with ABC News that first appeared on July 30.
How about this?
Gonzalo Curiel, the federal judge presiding over a class action suit against the for-profit Trump University, could not fairly hear the case because of his Mexican heritage.
“He’s a Mexican,” Trump told CNN. “We’re building a wall between here and Mexico. The answer is, he is giving us very unfair rulings — rulings that people can’t even believe.”
And this:
“When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” Kip Brown, a former employee at Trump’s Castle, told The New Yorker for a 2015 article. “It was the eighties, I was a teen-ager, but I remember it: they put us all in the back.”
And this:
“And isn’t it funny. I’ve got black accountants at Trump Castle and Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it,” Author O’Donnell recalled Trump saying. “The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.”
And this:
“I think the guy is lazy,” Trump said of a black employee, according to O’Donnell. “And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.”
Trump told an interviewer in 1997 that “the stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true,” but in 1999 accused O’Donnell of having fabricated the quotes.
Trump posted in the NY Times he wanted to have the exonerated Central Park Five executed. They were black of course.
Still no racism or bigotry to be seen?
You are hopelessly deluded, old buddy. Keep telling us liberals are violent fascists and commies. Heather Heyer and her family and friends and fellow victims appreciate it, I’m sure.
You are spending way more time condemning liberals and anti-fascist protesterrs than neo-Nazis, the Klan, White Supremacists and Trump.
What does that say about you?
How dare DD ask anyone, much less Mr. Paine what that makes them?
DD, who specializes in race baiting, race hustling and race based politics, can not acknowledge how Mr.Paine's posting of the truth about the radical left of which DD supports and covers for because to do so would expose him for what he really is. A black nationalist. A black separatist. A rage filled hate consumed radical socialist liberal.
Just like DD, Mr. Paine states he's going to be gone all week end so DD launches a personal attack on him. So typical of a radical liberal.
Sucker punching as usual.
Dave, some of your examples I can corroborate from reliable sources. Some I cannot. The fact that you have also used spurious examples of "racism" that did not exist against other in the past such as Glen Beck and... oh... I dunno... me... makes me a little hesitant to blindly accept some of your assertions. That said, there is enough there to absolutely make me uncomfortable and unwilling to go to battle to defend President Trump against that charge of being a racist. (That said, so were progressive champions like Woodrow Wilson. Even LBJ, despite his legislative agenda, was personally very racist.) I guess politics trumps racism though for some folks on the Left.
I have to wonder though... you certainly seem to delight in the political war, Mr. Dubya. Debate is not enough. You want a scorched earth left behind with your political adversaries. It is quite interesting to observe.
Mr. Paine
Ever notice how Dave is always on the attack, always negative? For all the horrible things about the USA that he believes, he has yet told us where in the world he would live if not here.
DD put on your traveling shoes!
"Scorched earth is a necessary tactic against enemies of democracy and those with no basic human decency. In case you missed it, they have been attacking liberals like me for a long time. They don't like it when a liberal fights back, do they?" ~ Dave Dubya
Yep, so the ends justify the means. And by the way, when a person supports violent (and even racist groups) like antifa and BLM, they are doing exactly what they claim to be opposing when fighting against the evil of the KKK, neo-Nazis and such. By doing so, they lose what little credibility they had. I know that there are groups on the right that think lumping everyone on the left together and portraying them as subhuman scum is the correct way to go. I absolutely don't condone them either. There are many, in fact a majority of very good people on the Left with whom I simply disagree on policies. All of that said, these *#@% ignorant punk ass fools on the militant far left that want to burn down America "with scorched earth tactics" 90% of the time don't even know history or what it is they are protesting.
There are eight monuments that have been defaced or destroyed lately by these damned vermin, including ones of LINCOLN!
http://dailysignal.com/2017/08/22/8-monuments-attacked-since-charlottesville?utm_source=TDS_Email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=MorningBell&mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiTm1JNU1tRXlaV0ZrWmpGayIsInQiOiI2RWswQjkxcytjdmQxeThaSWRkbFZNalphSFBNTmp5MU1nb2RWS2xzWnZHZVlFQ2RRZVpIbVdOTE1PV2xCQ056WlBsNGFtS2ZLV3hLVXl5S1Q0b0d0Z2NNOFpmRElYWFVSRzZ4TFdLdDVhc1FUYnJTU1J1Mkc4Yk0yY1krTzJCUyJ9
That alone tells me that these "heroes" to the militant left are exactly the hate-America first and always scum that they are portrayed as being. If you support them, then you are a big part of the problem and I denounce you, just as the racist groups tied to the far right I also denounce.
As for Washington and Jefferson monuments being torn down, I was simply pointing out the absurdity of the far left by being absurd. After all, Washington, Jefferson, and Madison all owned slaves, so why shouldn't we erase them from our history and destroy all monuments to them? What is the difference between them and Robert E. Lee? Of course that was before I read that these idiots destroyed a bust of Lincoln who emancipated the slaves. So much for the "enlightened" left protecting democracy and righting history.
Just to clarify, before you go off half-cocked again, I don't denounce or disavow 90% of the good people that make up the Left wing in this country. I DO denounce, disavow, and condemn those 10% on the far militant left that wish to destroy this country in their quest to "save" it. These are the dangerous fools which ALL decent Americans should condemn, right along with the racist Nazi's and KKK groups.
You are a smart guy so I am sure you can discern the difference, sir.
Majormajor, I am still waiting for many of the far left-wing celebrities to leave America as they said they would if Trump were elected. Frankly, I think a "Go Fund Me" page should be set up to help get some of these hateful people out of here. :)
You accused me of “scorched earth” and equated that with approving violence and vandalism? My interpretation was of a rhetorical, not physical acts. Your accusation expanded as usual.
10% on the far militant left that wish to destroy this country
Source please. Scorched earth again? Are you sure all of us liberals don’t want to destroy the country?
What is the difference between them (Washington, Jefferson, and Madison) and Robert E. Lee?
Are you serious? Would you like a history lesson? No difference between building the US from a treasonous war to destroy it? Yeah, I get it. Only liberals want to destroy America.
And liberals, not Trump are the real haters? BLM is “racist” but you’re not sure about Trump?
You are still equating antifa and BLM with the Klan and Nazis. Yes, there are some anarchist punks in antifa. When they vandalize, they should be charged and punished. They are still not the same as the racist haters of the Klan and white nationalists. This shows your utter lack of regard for their dead and injured victims.
Want to compare body counts? I mean really. Why won’t you? Your moral relativism is showing.
Shame on your abetting that hate, murder and violence by saying BLM is as bad as the Klan. And you dare call me a “race agitator”?
Seems you need a lesson on history, and current events, as well.
"All of that said, damn the racists, neo-Nazis, fascist authoritarians, and... the violent antifa movement." Can DD say the same thing? Mr. Paine and I have.
The German fascists/Nazis of the 1930's prevented the speech of those they disagreed with, tore down statues they didn't like, and burned books they found offensive.
How is that any different than the actions of current liberals?
I find it ironic that Dave would tell anyone they "need a lesson on history, and current events, as well."
You guys are grasping at straws, the Nazis in the 1930's did the same thing the radical left is doing now.
Where did you read that the radical Left is going to invade Poland?
Woody,
Sigh :(
When are Trump supporters, conservatives going to invade Poland?
What a stupid, stupid remark.
The historical fact is the far radical left is doing today the same thing the Nazis fascist did in Germany. Look it up.
Are you hitting the bottle Chuck, I never mentioned Conservatives. And I do not have to look up anything pertaining to WW2 as I have read dozens of books on the subject.
By the way I never posted a stupid comment in my life.
"The historical fact is the far radical left is doing today the same thing the Nazis fascist did in Germany. Look it up."
This isn't how you prove a point. You don't just keep repeating a ridiculous claim and call it a fact. That doesn't actually make it a fact. You're not Dorothy. You don't get to click you heels three times while repeating a statement and then have that statement come true.
Also you don't back up a statement by saying 'Look it up.' To prove your point you must look up that point and then provide the source to those you are conversing with. 'Look it up' is lazy. Making up 'facts' is even lazier.
You don't win hearts and minds by being disingenuous. I don't even understand what your goal is in these comment threads are, if it isn't to be disingenuous.
"You don't just keep repeating a ridiculous claim and call it a fact. That doesn't actually make it a fact."
LOL tell that to Dave. Saying something is not the truth over and over does not make it false.
I am amazed that you can not see the relationship between actions of the fascists/Nazis towards ideas they disagreed with and the actions of today's leftist. Must be that "cult" thing Dave is always talking about.
Make a check list
Statues pulled down X X
Prevent free speech X X
Burn/ban books X X
My point is today's lefty is doing the same thing the Fascist did.
"I am amazed that you can not see the relationship between actions of the fascists/Nazis towards ideas they disagreed with and the actions of today's leftist"
Well remedy your amazement and enlighten the audience at home, MM.
"Statues pulled down X X
Prevent free speech X X
Burn/ban books X X"
Giving people an madlibs list isn't the way to cease your amazement over the unbelievable prospect that they don't think like you. But, hey, maybe you just want to play a game.
Statues pulled down by government contractors.
Prevent free speech by no one.
Burn/ban books by, uh, this is a tough one. A church in Florida burned the Quran for some reason in 2010. Book banning is an interesting topic that you should probably research a bit more before you start throwing it around as an indictment on liberals.
Life in your cult must be amazing.
We're all on the same side here, MM. I'm sorry you feel that way.
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