tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-408858764761620479.post7804678238760682925..comments2024-03-28T14:14:11.551-06:00Comments on Unabashedly American: Americans' Disgraceful Lack of Civics and Historical KnowledgeDarrell Michaelshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05474956372325309461noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-408858764761620479.post-85673697011992626052011-07-03T20:30:34.346-06:002011-07-03T20:30:34.346-06:00Mr. Anderson, and you think that I am amazing....
...Mr. Anderson, and you think that I am amazing....<br /><br />First off your hypothetical is absurd and still irrelevant to the definition of the economic terms used in the question.<br /><br />It does not matter that you see injustice in the sparse spending on the pauper in your two person country. I am not discussing the morality of it. I was discussing the definition of the terms used in the question - the question that you got wrong and still are looking for a progressive justification of why you are morally right in your answer. It is not a question of morality. It is a question of arithmetic.<br /><br />You cannot ignore the term deficit and debt simply because you don't think that the debt of a nation is always zero just because revenues equal expenditures some years. <br /><br />Good God! No wonder the Republicans cannot make the Democrats in congress understand the necessity of spending cuts. Evidently they too are too stubborn as to understand the definitions and ramifications of economics.Darrell Michaelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05474956372325309461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-408858764761620479.post-74674941319205325992011-07-03T20:02:43.949-06:002011-07-03T20:02:43.949-06:00Paine, you never cease to amaze.
". . . tax ...Paine, you never cease to amaze.<br /><br />". . . tax per person equals government spending per person on average"<br /><br />OK, let's say you have a country just starting out. Remember, the question didn't specify what country or when it was asking about. This new country has exactly two citizens. One makes $1 million a year and pays $50,000 in income tax. The other citizen makes nothing and pays no tax. Since the one tax-paying citizen is completely self-sufficient, the government spends only $5,000 the first year, on setting up a government headquarters and advertising abroad, trying to get people to emigrate.<br /><br />Do you seriously believe any of that $5,000, much less $2,500 of it, is spent on the pauper who pays no taxes, or that the pauper benefits from the spending?S.W. Andersonhttp://ohpblog.ohpinion.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-408858764761620479.post-69670941968633503152011-07-03T09:04:55.801-06:002011-07-03T09:04:55.801-06:00Anderson, you made assumptions then that were not ...Anderson, you made assumptions then that were not warranted or the underlying conditions even implied.<br /><br />It does not matter which country we are talking about, or whether it was a generic or hypothetical nation.<br /><br />Nowhere in the question did it state that the country was just beginning or starting with a clean slate. <br /><br />Regardless, all of those assumptions are irrelevant anyway. Debt and deficit are not the same thing.<br /><br />When tax revenues per citizen equal government expenditures per citizen, a nation's deficit for that year will be zero.<br /><br />If one has years where more is spent than taken in, the deficit will reflect that AND the nation's debt will be positive.<br /><br />It doesn't matter if the nation is America, Greece, or Narnia. It is a matter of economic definitions.<br /><br />You can, of course, stand by your incorrect answer as you wish, but that doesn't make you right still. <br /><br />Further, if one were to assume that all learned progressives shared your same stubborness in refusing to admit mistakes, I can now understand how we exacerbated our economic woes under this current administration.Darrell Michaelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05474956372325309461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-408858764761620479.post-15259769477794421652011-07-03T01:55:20.774-06:002011-07-03T01:55:20.774-06:00I found all the answers to that question lacking a...I found all the answers to that question lacking and so tried to pick the one that struck me as the last wrong.<br /><br /><i>Our country</i> indeed has longterm debt that's separate from the current-budget deficit.<br /><br />However,if you consider the question to be abstract, about a generic country or new country atarted with a clean slate, the answer I chose would be correct.<br /><br />I stand by what I said about the test's choice of a right answer.S.W. Andersonhttp://ohpblog.ohpinion.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-408858764761620479.post-36398715123785294612011-07-02T20:46:53.128-06:002011-07-02T20:46:53.128-06:00No, Mr. Anderson, you are indeed wrong, sir.
If t...No, Mr. Anderson, you are indeed wrong, sir.<br /><br />If taxes equal government spending than the DEFICT for that tax year will in fact be zero, but that in no way means that the government DEBT is zero.<br /><br />Indeed, the federal government had more revenue than expenses during some of the Clinton years, but our federal debt never ever approached zero, unfortunately. You are indeed wrong on that question accordingly.<br /><br />I would agree with your estimation of the poor quality of education regarding history and civics though, but like a true progressive, you diagnose the problem and then state the wrong solution.<br /><br />I would submit to you that it is "constitutional scholars" like Obama that get elected to office when folks don't know their rear-ends from a hole in the ground. It is the promise of entitlements packaged up pretty as "hope and change" that dazzles these ignorant voters. Indeed Obama even champions un-constitutional legislation despite his supposed expertise on the law of the land.<br /><br />I suppose I should not expect his minions to be held to a higher standard than he is though.Darrell Michaelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05474956372325309461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-408858764761620479.post-34264499831318523612011-07-02T16:14:09.330-06:002011-07-02T16:14:09.330-06:00"You answered 32 out of 33 correctly — 96.97 ...<i>"You answered 32 out of 33 correctly — 96.97 %"</i><br /><br /><br />The one I got wrong was: <br /><i>"Question: If taxes equal government spending, then:<br /> "Your Answer: government debt is zero<br /> "Correct Answer: tax per person equals government spending per person on average"</i><br /><br />Sorry, but the supposedly correct answer is midway between a gross assumption and outright fallacy.<br /><br />It's disappointing that so many did so poorly on the test. Only about half of both citizens and people who had held office of some sort understand the concept of a progressive tax. Malcolm Forbes must be ecstatic.<br /><br />The appalling lack of education and knowledge those results indicate helps explain the popularity in some quarters of "leaders" like George W. Bush and the appeal of the Palins, Bachmanns and Perrys that litter the political landscape.S.W. Andersonhttp://ohpblog.ohpinion.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-408858764761620479.post-4497594048481764592011-06-27T07:49:13.181-06:002011-06-27T07:49:13.181-06:00Mr. Myste, based on their actions and not their wo...Mr. Myste, based on their actions and not their words, I would be doubtful if the combined score of Obama's entire adminstration would reach 100%.<br /><br />H.R., it is funny but my first thoughts were along those same lines too. Then I thought that this was not the case. <br /><br />It only seems to be a Republican test as they seem to be the only party that understands and appreciates the freedom and prosperity created for the most possible people via capitalism.<br /><br />This used to be a concept that was somewhat less understood yet still appreciated by the Democratic party, but alas that knowledge seems to have all but vanished. (Hence the seeming skewing of the test to the right merely because questions on capitalism were contained therein.) :)Darrell Michaelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05474956372325309461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-408858764761620479.post-61919917369514413172011-06-26T20:05:36.906-06:002011-06-26T20:05:36.906-06:00That is very amusing, Mr. Heathen. I almost, almos...That is very amusing, Mr. Heathen. I almost, almost, almost pointed out that the test was obviously designed by a republican, but at the last minute, I decided to take the high road and ignore that fact. That it is a republican test is obvious, so anyone taking it that does not recognize this fact earns the possible disadvantage not recognizing the fact gives him. <br /><br />If you cannot distinguish right wing leanings from left wing leanings, that is also an indication of poor education.John Mystehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16263634313238599515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-408858764761620479.post-44000878477931752902011-06-26T13:34:17.192-06:002011-06-26T13:34:17.192-06:00Missed four for an 88%. After reading some of thos...Missed four for an 88%. After reading some of those questions, I'm surprised John didn't claim the test is skewed to the right... all those free market questions must've been a challenge.Eric Norenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14648635662703229678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-408858764761620479.post-38340357769648290022011-06-24T22:41:05.696-06:002011-06-24T22:41:05.696-06:00If you were to combine Palin and Bushes scores, th...If you were to combine Palin and Bushes scores, they still probably could not pass this test. Obama would undoubtedly get close to 100%, as did I. However, you beat me, this time. A game of chess is probably in order.John Mystehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16263634313238599515noreply@blogger.com