tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-408858764761620479.post6643538392106953998..comments2024-03-27T20:09:11.399-06:00Comments on Unabashedly American: President Obama's New "Peace" Policy and Israel's Very ExistenceDarrell Michaelshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05474956372325309461noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-408858764761620479.post-35195961064786912342011-06-05T07:18:15.340-06:002011-06-05T07:18:15.340-06:00Mr. Anderson, I acknowledge and agree that there a...Mr. Anderson, I acknowledge and agree that there are extremists on both sides and that Israel is not totally without fault on this issue. That said, they are miniscule when compared to the Palestinian radicals.<br /><br />Further, the Israeli trouble makers are seldom known and not sanctioned by factions of the Israeli government. <br /><br />Now, particularly since Hamas is a partner with the Palestinian government, that is definitely not the case for the terrorists trying to disrupt the peace from their side of the fight. Often times it is a faction of government that is directly responsible for the Palestinian terrorists firing rockets or sending homicide bombers into Israel.<br /><br />Therein is the difference, sir. It has nothing to do with trying to score political points and "bashing" Obama. It is just and warranted criticism of his words and actions, sir.Darrell Michaelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05474956372325309461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-408858764761620479.post-23464859537316224152011-06-03T20:39:24.728-06:002011-06-03T20:39:24.728-06:00Paine, if you weren't so preoccupied with bash...Paine, if you weren't so preoccupied with bashing Obama, you'd just about have this right.<br /><br /><i>"Every time a tentative peace or cease fire is negotiated, the Palestinians are the ones to quickly renege on their promises."</i><br /><br />There are repeated incidents where extremist Israelis and extremist Palestinians have aborted peace deals that were showing promise by ratcheting up the violence. The unfortunate fact is that there are people on both sides with vested interests in continuing the struggle forever.<br /><br />Palestinian leaders who have wanted and tried to arrange a peace can't control their extremists. Israeli leaders are only somewhat better at holding restraining theirs<br /><br />I think this sick situation is more widespread and intractable on the Palestinian side, but it exists on both sides. The the ones forever expanding settlements outside Israel's borders are nearly as responsible for the ongoing conflict in their way as Hamas and the others are on their side. <br /><br />The U.S. can't change what the extremists on either side are doing, so if asked, I would've urged Obama to stay out of it.S.W. Andersonhttp://ohpblog.ohpinion.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-408858764761620479.post-24227634494837169272011-06-03T07:27:59.933-06:002011-06-03T07:27:59.933-06:00(continued)
According to the link you sent, “Israe...(continued)<br />According to the link you sent, “Israel will face growing isolation without a credible peace process, Obama said, and the march to isolate Israel internationally and the Palestinians impulse to abandon negotiations will continue to gain momentum without a credible peace process. “ I say that is sadly correct, and really already is the de facto state of things, thanks to idiot politicians like Obama and corrupt Arab nations in the UN. That said, there is and has been no credible reason for the Palestinians to negotiate peace in good faith with Israel so far. Every time a tentative peace or cease fire is negotiated, the Palestinians are the ones to quickly renege on their promises. Meanwhile, the Israelis continue to give up land for peace and get stabbed in the back or homicide bombers in their shopping malls for their good will efforts. What have the Palestinians given up in negotiating peace with Israel thus far? Empty promises of not sending more rockets into their cities or homicide bombers into the midst of their people?<br /><br />Heck, when Ehud Barak was the Prime Minister of Israel, he basically agreed to about 85% of the Palestinian demands, granted this was a deal that would never have been ratified through the Israeli Knesset, but regardless the terrorist Yasser Arafat STILL refused to accept the agreement. When asked why he would not accept such a ridiculously good deal for the Palestinian people, Arafat was quoted as saying because for him to do so would result in him “having tea with Mussolini”. In other words, he knew his own people would kill him for EVER negotiating a peace deal with Israel. The Palestinians don’t want peace. They want the extermination of Jews and the complete annihilation of Israel. Their alignment with Hamas is further proof of this statement.<br /><br />Your assertion that this is all about U.S. politics may be the case… for OBAMA. It is about Israeli survival to them though. Further, I acknowledged that the 1967 borders were a “starting point” for negotiations in my post. That statement alone is inflammatory to both sides of the conflict and was irresponsible of President Obama to frame the discussion in such a way though.<br /><br />If all of this is simply just a matter of domestic politics to you, sir, I would submit that perhaps it is you who need to read a LOT more to get a more balanced perspective on this volatile issue, my friend.Darrell Michaelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05474956372325309461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-408858764761620479.post-25168019845625679682011-06-03T07:27:27.158-06:002011-06-03T07:27:27.158-06:00First, Carrie, thank you so much for your kind wor...First, Carrie, thank you so much for your kind words and support. It is greatly appreciate, my friend!<br /><br />Second, Anderson states, “The Palestinians are planning to go to the U.N. seeking to isolate Israel and get action on creating a state without Israel's input or agreement. Obama spoke up in an effort to head that off and get both Israelis and Palestinians off the dime and bargaining.”<br /><br />I am fully well aware of this fact and understand the politics of the situation. Basically the Palestinians can NOT establish their own state via a UN mandate as long as the United States still decides to support its ally and only stable democracy in the region, Israel. Since the U.S. is on the corrupt and incompetent UN security council and has one of the five possible over-riding and negating veto votes on any resolution brought up before the U.N., the reality of the Palestinians creating their own state through this option is a non-starter. (That is assuming that President Obama doesn’t intend to totally throw our friend Israel to the wolves and not veto any such resolution.)<br /><br />I realize that such a veto would cause world controversy and create a lot of headache for Obama, not to mention lose him some of his reliable liberal vote in America, but if he were to act the part of a true leader, Obama would publicly announce to Fatah, Hamas, and the Palestinian people that a U.S. veto is precisely the result of any such resolution brought before the U.N. Further, Obama should announce that until Fatah and the Palestinian people reject and remove any Hamas involvement and influence in the governing of their affairs, all U.S. aid will be immediately withdrawn. Hamas is a known terrorist organization and is recognized by our State Department as such. Why in the heck would we continue to finance the Palestinians under such circumstance accordingly?Darrell Michaelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05474956372325309461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-408858764761620479.post-68894262074375134192011-06-02T14:52:14.260-06:002011-06-02T14:52:14.260-06:00The Palestinians are planning to go to the U.N. se...The Palestinians are planning to go to the U.N. seeking to isolate Israel and get action on creating a state without Israel's input or agreement. Obama spoke up in an effort to head that off and get both Israelis and Palestinians off the dime and bargaining.<br /><br />Obama's proposal, as a <i>starting point</i> for negotiations, isn't new a new idea and doesn't spell certain destruction for Israel. There's a lot of politically motivated drama-queen theatrics being perpetrated by the political right in the U.S. now. The GOP really would like to peel off most of the Jewish vote by being more pro Istrael than the Israelis. Those theatrics are being echoed by Netanyahu for political effect back in Israel. None of it is helpful to arriving at a workable peace deal.<br /><br />Obviously, Netanyahu is going to start off saying the '67 borders are unacceptable. He wants to start any negotiations seeking much more than he knows he'll ever get. That's how it's done.<br /><br />You might get a better perspective by reading:<br /> <br />http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/05/obama-further-explains-1967-borders-starting-point.htmlS.W. Andersonhttp://ohpblog.ohpinion.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-408858764761620479.post-7972190736409611692011-05-30T13:35:10.245-06:002011-05-30T13:35:10.245-06:00"Other Arab nations will not allow the Palest..."Other Arab nations will not allow the Palestinian people to immigrate to their nations. Indeed, the Arabs would rather have their Palestinian brothers live in poverty and squalor so that they can use them as a political club with which to beat the Israelis over the head in world opinion." This is the crux of the matter. Arab leaders are demogogues who use religios fervor to divert their people's attention away from their own greed. They prefer to rouse the people to anger against an outside enemy so attention will be focused away from the squalor and illiteracy of their citizens, problems they could eliminate if they truly cared about their people. The Nobel Peace Prize is an unfunny joke, given to whomever is in politically correct favor at the time. Arafat was so corrupt that he diverted the $ meant for Palestinians; his wife and daughter now live in splendor in Paris on the backs of their poor. Thank you, T. Paine, for always telling it like it is. Your blog is honest and so well-done. Love you for bringing the truth to your readers and I hope your audience grows huge. CCarrienoreply@blogger.com